# Dancing with the Stars -- DWTS -- Fall 2012 -- All Stars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 27, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591 "2012-07-27T18:05:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/221 "2012-11-14T05:59:40Z")
> [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > I don’t understand how there can be 5 teams in the semi final. Aren’t there only 2 or 3 in the final? Does that mean they will lose two more next week? Usually three in the final, so maybe a double elimination again next week? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/222 "2012-11-15T01:57:21Z")
Apparently it will be a double elimination. Betting odds for Week 9 Shawn Johnson 4/7 or 1.57 Emmitt Smith 5/1 or 6.00 Kelly Monaco 15/2 or 8.50 Melissa Rycroft 15/2 or 8.50 Apolo Ohno 17/2 or 9.50 This week is a shake up. While the odds finally beat Kirstie Alley, the come out of nowhere scoring for Melissa has taken her out of the long shot range and has confounded the odds. From a 40-1 to this has got everyone scratching their heads, because it’s highly unusual for the judges to suddenly crown someone who had been a middle dweller for the majority of the competition and not getting the vote. Now, everyone has a legitimate shot, but the odds makers see Apolo in the bottom a number of times and consider him the most vulnerable. Go to the bottom once and the people rally, but going there more times takes away from his strength. Shawn dipped slightly this week but is still the favorite. Emmitt slipped slightly from 4/1 to 5/1 but he’s still second place, he’s been in that position for a long time. Gilles leaving was too bad, but I don’t blame any fanbase. Think about the show and how it scored Melissa all of a sudden this week. She certainly didn’t leap frog up in her ability, the judges propped her up big time. According to the odds, she was a 40-1 longshot to win, only Kirstie Alley was further away. This propping of Melissa allowed her to beat Gilles. this is a shitty way to manipulate the standings, even though he’s a pompous ass, Gilles would have left the following week with no help from the show. But the odds makers are still conservative about Melissa despite that score of 99/100 (eyeroll) because her fanbase is weaker. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/223 "2012-11-15T03:16:59Z")
I think the judges wanted to keep at least one good dancer for the semi finals. Melissa is the best real dancer left. She did dance extremely well this week. The judges may of been a bit generous, but they also over scored Emmitt. I’m pretty much prepared to see Shawn win. That’s a whole lot of cute in a small package. Derek is the wonder kid that everyone likes. I can’t see anyone beating that combination. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/224 "2012-11-16T15:22:32Z")
I for one pretty much loathe Shawn and Derek and their snot nosed attitudes. They are not cute, they’re annoying. There’s no reason to trash a perfectly good dance style to act like assholes. I’d be happy if anyone but them win. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/225 "2012-11-16T15:36:52Z")
It’s a TV show, **Andie**. Chill. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/226 "2012-11-16T16:04:14Z")
Emmitt’s dance this week did nothing for me, and the judges scored it so highly. I happen to like Derek and think he always does a good job of showing off his partner (it doesn’t hurt that I think he usually gets the most athletic partners). StG ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/227 "2012-11-16T16:28:39Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > I for one pretty much loathe Shawn and Derek and their snot nosed attitudes. > They are not cute, they’re annoying. There’s no reason to trash a perfectly good dance style to act like assholes. I’d be happy if anyone but them win. I thought their dance was awesome…as a freestyle. I’m not a stickler like Len, so I don’t care how close to a samba it actually was. My only problem with Shawn is she only has one facial expression – smiling. Speaking of perky…it seems like that’s all Melissa has, too. All her dances are up-tempo: quickstep, jive…has she done a paso or a tango yet this season? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/228 "2012-11-16T19:37:40Z")
I liked Shawn a lot more in her original season. Mark had just joined the show and he was choreographing legit ballroom & Latin dances for her. She did rely on flips until judge’s criticism stopped it. I had high hopes for Shawn in All Stars. But Derek hasn’t given her much legit ballroom & Latin choreography. There’s been too much freestyle dances. I have the tiniest hope that Melissa and Tony make the finals. I’m seeing a lot of favorable comments about their fun partnership. No drama. They just dance like crazy. That would be a surprise upset but once in awhile the fun couple gets the votes. I’m hoping Melissa will draw Kirstie’s fans and their votes. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/229 "2012-11-16T19:43:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I have the tiniest hope that Melissa and Tony make the finals. I’m seeing a lot of favorable comments about their fun partnership. No drama. They just dance like crazy. That would be a surprise upset but once in awhile the fun couple gets the votes. I’m hoping Melissa will draw Kirstie’s fans and their votes. I’ve been voting for them pretty consistently over the last few weeks. Fingers crossed that Tony gets some help with choreography if they make it to the finals. At this point, they’re the only couple still in it who aren’t previous champions. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/230 "2012-11-17T14:37:27Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I thought their dance was awesome…as a freestyle. I’m not a stickler like Len, so I don’t care how close to a samba it actually was. > > My only problem with Shawn is she only has one facial expression – smiling. > > Speaking of perky…it seems like that’s all Melissa has, too. All her dances are up-tempo: quickstep, jive…has she done a paso or a tango yet this season? They had enough fucking freestyles all season. The truth is this chick did lousy at the Samba the first time so covering up with African bullshit that wasn’t even good African jazz was annoying. Throw a fucking aerial in and people will be impressed. Geez. And then to laugh at the one judge that sees through the bullshit, is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/231 "2012-11-19T04:44:35Z")
Tough season for the pros. Now Tony is hurt. I sure hope his MRI clears him to dance in the semi final. I blame some of the injuries on these crazy non-standard dances the producers are dreaming up. The pros are winging it and it seems like a recipe for accidents or injuries. Cave Man style for example probably has Tony and Melissa both bent over dancing like Neanderthals. > [@](#): > > Melissa Rycroft ‏@MelissaRycroft > > So…stage rehearsal didn’t go so well :-(. @TonyDovolani tweaked his back…Didn’t get through dance once > > He’s getting an MRI tomorrow morning, and we’ll play it by ear…Never seen him in pain like this :-/ ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/232 "2012-11-19T16:04:28Z")
Oh geez. Hope he’s okay! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/233 "2012-11-19T18:48:42Z")
Your wish is granted Twicks. 😉 I guess the show has a orthopedist contracted to take calls? A regular person would never get in and tested this quick. Whew! Glad he’s ok. This team has been the best part of All Stars for me. > [@](#): > > Tony Dovolani ‏@TonyDovolani > > Well … Good news no bone damage but a sever sprain !!! Pain management Who ever knows me knows the answer to the question about tonight 😉 > [@](#): > > Melissa Rycroft ‏@MelissaRycroft > > Good results from MRI! Haven’t gotten to practice as much as we’d like, it’s ok! We dance 1st and 6th tonight!! Semi Finals, here we come! ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/234 "2012-11-20T03:14:23Z")
Everyone danced really well. I have absolutely no clue who the fans will vote into the final. No ones performance tonight was bad enough to warrant a change in votes. I think people will continue voting for whoever they’ve supported all season. I do have to admit that Emmitt is just a notch less skilled overall. I’ll be quite surprised if he avoids elimination. The 2nd one is up for grabs imho. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/235 "2012-11-20T03:33:42Z")
I thought Apolo was off tonight. He and Karina both were losing their footing in the circus thing. Loved the finale of the surf flamenco. I laughed and laughed. I gave three votes to Melissa and Tony and the other two to Kelly and Val. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/236 "2012-11-20T04:25:52Z")
I loved Emmett’s first dance–I think it was my favorite of the night. But I thought everybody did well…maybe Apollo less than he could be. I also think Carrie Ann called it right on Shawn. There is something missing from her dances, and I don’t really see why that should be. Earlier both she and Apollo noted that athletes are trained never to show emotion, which may be true for skaters but boy, I would have never guessed that for the gymnasts. Not for a minute. I’m not quite sure that’s it, either, but maybe it is (Carrie Ann is the expert judge, I know nothing). ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/237 "2012-11-20T04:34:02Z")
Everyone was gunning for it tonight. I was disappointed in the Argentine Tangos, both were far too aggressive, thats Ballroom Tango style and it shouldn’t be confused with Argentine. I have no idea who is going home, I enjoyed tonight’s show. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/238 "2012-11-20T04:36:20Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > I loved Emmett’s first dance–I think it was my favorite of the night. But I thought everybody did well…maybe Apollo less than he could be. > > I also think Carrie Ann called it right on Shawn. There is something missing from her dances, and I don’t really see why that should be. Earlier both she and Apollo noted that athletes are trained never to show emotion, which may be true for skaters but boy, I would have never guessed that for the gymnasts. Not for a minute. I’m not quite sure that’s it, either, but maybe it is (Carrie Ann is the expert judge, I know nothing). Shawn is emotionless, and I thought the dance really lacked the connection this dance requires. When Derek danced very similar routines with Nicole Scherzinger and Jennifer Grey that was Argentine Tango. And I’m usually a huge fan of his Argentine Tangos. This, was a series of steps. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/239 "2012-11-20T14:47:08Z")
An enjoyable night over all. I expect Emmit to go, but don’t know who else. I would like to see Shawn, Mellisa, and Anton in the Final, but we’ll see. (I don’t think Kelly is that good, and I’m a little tired of the “relationship” stuff, just dance.) ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591/240 "2012-11-20T16:54:51Z")
I have the same problem with Shawn that Carrie Ann has - she put her finger on it exactly. Don’t just do a sequence of moves perfectly, _dance_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dancing-with-the-stars-dwts-fall-2012-all-stars/629591.md?page=13)