# Danielinthewolvesden's Ninth Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2001, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341 "2001-03-01T05:13:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Pucette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/278dde/32.png) [@Pucette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucette)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/21 "2001-03-02T13:47:42Z")
\ Isn’t someone going to tell VarlosZ about the Sunshine and Lollypop Forum? 😃 \ ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/22 "2001-03-02T17:03:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > > By flinging around the term ‘Nazi’, or making snide ‘Nazi’ innuendos every time you get into a hard spot in a debate, you’re trivializing the term ‘Nazi’. I agree heartily…Good lord **Fenris!** Where were you when I needed you: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=59398](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=59398) DITWD, just like I get red of face when some sports fanatic claims a player “just got raped” on a play, when I know damn well that they were simply stripped of the ball, rather than forced to commit humiliating sex acts against their will …I think that when we throw NAZI around like it means “a mildly annoying person” we’re effectively diminishing what the NAZI’s actually DID to your family, to Fenris’ family, to everyone. They weren’t just a group of rough and tumble teenagers spraypainting swastikas and engaging in verbal arguments…as you are well aware, they MURDERED PEOPLE Daniel, and to say that anything less than mass murder is NAZI-like is, in effect, trivializing it, because we’re attributing the name to things of lesser consequence. jarbaby ---
**Author:** ![Protesilaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Protesilaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Protesilaus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/23 "2001-03-02T19:28:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > **Someone on the board quipped something like (I can’t find the link) “If they’re not planning to invade Poland and exterminate portions of the population, then the word Nazi isn’t appropriate”, but whoever it was phrased it better. Danno, people aren’t Nazis just because they disagree with you.** It was **Yue Han** in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=60479): > [@](#): > > Here’s an easy method to use: \*\*Unless someone invaded Poland, believes in the master race, and set up death camps, don’t call them a Nazi. \*\* It should be noted that **Daniel** has already seen (and nitpicked) this back in the original thread. ---
**Author:** ![Danielinthewolvesden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Danielinthewolvesden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danielinthewolvesden)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/24 "2001-03-02T21:46:16Z")
jarbaby, you poor dupe. See how easily you bought into Fenris’s use of the “Big Lie”? Remember DDG pointing out she could find no post where I called Ben a “Nazi”? But you see, fenris has simply repeated over & over that I casually & repeatedly call folks Nazis- where in fact- I never have. I came close to it, just once (and for which i apologized, as it came out much stronger than I wanted it- but ben & fenris fail the mention the apology). (Oh, I did compare the KKK to the Nazi stormtroopers, tho, and I’ll do that again). See where you say “throw ‘nazi’ around like that”- so firm in your propaganda brainwashed brain that I DID casually call folks nazis- where, in fact, I NEVER have. Look how well the “Big Lie” works! You, a rather intelligent poster, read Fenris’s “Big lie” about me casually calling folks “nazis”- and simply bought it, without question. Prot: It was actually the Hungarian Nazis, the “Black Shirts” who rounded up, beat, and executed many of my folks. They then sent the rest to concentration camps. I will point out that some of these Hungarian Black shirts were tried at the Nuremburg trials. Just because they were not GERMAN nazis, does not make them any less nazis. They did not invade Poland, tho, (they invaded Carpatho-Ukraine) so I guess by Yue hans “definition” they aren’t “nazis”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/25 "2001-03-02T22:06:34Z")
I think I’ve had enough. Danielinthewolvesden, you’ve been told, repeatedly, that your behavior is unacceptable. Since you have not changed your behavior, and, indeed, don’t even seem to grasp WHY it’s unacceptable, you’re out of here. Go find some other playground. Lynn Administrator For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/26 "2001-03-02T22:09:02Z")
(Note: I am speaking as a poster, not as a moderator. Just want to clarify.) Oh, for the love of all that’s holy, Dan. You have compared Ben to Goebbels. You have accused Ben of using “the Big Lie” technique (right here in this thread, for example!) popularized and associated with Nazis. You implied that Ben is friends with Nazis. You implied that he has the morals of Nazis. You implied that he accepts Nazi techniques as valid. Yes, **de jure** you have never called Ben a Nazi, not specifically, not in so many words, never quite actually said, “Ben, you’re a Nazi.” But **de facto** , you make the statement quite clearly. Let me put it another way. Daniel, this is the sort of thing I would expect from a weasel. Like many of the weasels you seem to admire, you use your weaselesque techniques with an ability I have only seen in true weasels. You must think a great deal of weasels, and I wonder why you really haven’t changed your name to “Danielintheweaselsden”. However, never let it be said that I actually called you a weasel, 'cause I didn’t. Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/27 "2001-03-02T22:11:42Z")
Huh. Maybe I should have been speaking as a moderator. i guess I need to type my messages faster. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/28 "2001-03-02T22:24:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Danielinthewolvesden \* > **jarbaby, you poor dupe \ You, a rather intelligent poster, read Fenris’s “Big lie” about me casually calling folks “nazis”- and simply bought it, without question.** Your contempt for other posters continues to astound me. (“poor dupe”?!) Notice he didn’t respond to one single point I made. We can only assume that he conceeds them. DITWD, your “apology” to Ben was not an apology, it was a half-assed, vaguely apologetic, conditional statement. I quote I notice you still haven’t provided any of those cites I asked for to back up your…um…assertions. And once again, you have lied. I didn’t claim that you “casually called folks ‘nazis’” I said you trivialize the Holocaust when you repeatedly **imply** that people who disagree are Nazis, in your ongoing attempt to score cheap points when you get backed into a corner. And before you continue, I’d be willing to bet that the connotation of the phrase “the Big Lie” would mean “Nazi’s” to most people, the same way that saying “Isn’t it stuffy under that pillowcase” would imply Klansmen to most people. You can tap-dance all you want around the point but the phrase “The Big Lie” implies “Nazi”. Saying it doesn’t is disingenous. And for the record, you want to call me a liar, fine but I do not appreciate you implying that I am a Nazi by useing the phrase “Big Lie” with regards to me. As a matter of fact, I would appreciate if a Mod could weigh in on this. Either DITWD’s gone _waaaaay_ over the “Jerk” line by constantly **implying** that anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi or those of us who are upset at being tarred with DITWD’s “Big Lie”/Nazi innuendo are being oversensitive. (Mods: Sorry to ask you to get involved with this shit-fest, but a ruling would be appreciated.) Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/29 "2001-03-02T22:29:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > [B(Mods: Sorry to ask you to get involved with this shit-fest, but a ruling would be appreciated.) > \*\* Um…nevermind. I need to learn to type faster Fenris ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/30 "2001-03-02T22:49:45Z")
Whoops. Kinda blindsided by this one. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/31 "2001-03-03T00:29:12Z")
. . . thus demonstrating once again an important lesson for all SDMBers: **Do _not_ fuck with Lynn Bodoni**. And give her chocolate at all times. ---
**Author:** ![Navigator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4af34b/32.png) [@Navigator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navigator)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/32 "2001-03-03T01:29:11Z")
_Lifts a glass to Daniel_ I hardly knew him… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/33 "2001-03-03T02:29:23Z")
Whoa, Lynn-you rock! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/34 "2001-03-03T02:39:52Z")
Aw, shucks. Now we’ll never know how DITWD plans to defend his comment above, “for a Jew,” as not being racist; or, at the very least, incredibly tacky. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/35 "2001-03-03T03:26:12Z")
I’m pretty sure many of us can fill in with little imagination required. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that it would probably involve weaseling. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/36 "2001-03-03T04:31:35Z")
Thank you, Lynn. -Ben ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/37 "2001-03-03T04:56:56Z")
Wow. If ever something has been deserved, it was that. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Bowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@Doug\_Bowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_Bowe)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/38 "2001-03-03T06:44:26Z")
It’s over. Why not lock it? ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2001, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/39 "2001-03-05T11:11:25Z")
I feel strangely… sad. Sure he weasled. Sure he used inappropriate language sometimes. Sure “the :rolleyes: was invented for him”\*. Sure he had all kinds of bizarre things to say. But sometimes he also had some good things to say. And he would inevitably take debates in different directions. I’ll raise that glass with you **'Gator**. Fare ye well, **DITWD** , wherever ye shall go. pan [sub]\* - quote from **Satan** , as if you didn’t know.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2001, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341/40 "2001-03-05T11:15:19Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s over. > Why not lock it? I agree…it’s over, done with, Daniel is banned, get on with this and why not allow this to die a good death? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danielinthewolvesdens-ninth-pit-thread/56341.md?page=3)