# Dante's Action Hero Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 29, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988 "2015-09-29T22:59:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/321 "2015-10-08T00:11:34Z")
By the way, I see many people have commended **Dante G** on the flavour, and I agree. I was looking at post counts and saw that he’s posted second most in the thread! Great work **Dante** , your dedication is much appreciated! I hope you’re having some fun too! ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/322 "2015-10-08T00:15:04Z")
Well if it matters to the rest of you, I won’t be changing my vote from Astral today. I hope WF Tomba can find it in his heart to lynch someone for something stronger than lurking (remember, we may only have 1 bad lynch before LYLO the next day), and Mahaloth can get over his OMGUS mindset. I’m happy to absolutely own the outcome of the lynch, too. If it turns out Astral is a bad lynch (which I really, really doubt) I won’t try to pretend I didn’t drive this bus. For what it’s worth, I also think Plumpudding is scum. If an Astral lynch starts gaining steam, I bet Plumpudding will join after 4 or 5 votes are cast and the writing is already on the wall… ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/323 "2015-10-08T00:17:19Z")
I really, sincerely doubt Astral’s scum, but I have only the one game of experience. I’m looking more at Plankton, who didn’t post yesterDay and hasn’t posted toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/324 "2015-10-08T00:29:35Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Mahaloth, do you have an idea of for how long your work might continue to block SDMB? Do you know if it is temporary or not? Have you talked to the it guy? Can you somehow upgrade your cell-phone subscription or charge it with a voucer/online? I just wish I had a way to get around it. I need to commit to post at night, which I think I can do. Apologies for being a lesser posting player. If you ask around, you’ll see I have been playing actively since 2009. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/325 "2015-10-08T00:35:46Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > For what it’s worth, I also think Plumpudding is scum. If an Astral lynch starts gaining steam, I bet Plumpudding will join after 4 or 5 votes are cast and the writing is already on the wall… Wether I vote him or not depends heavily on what happens, but I probably won’t. He (together with you) is one of the bigger content-providers to this game. He is also not at all shy. Maybe he is a boasty roughneck in a striped t-shirt, but he could also be a preaching golden boy or a regular joe with lots of opinions. If he slips up or I get convinced that voting him is best for town, maybe. I’m first of all looking forward to hearing from Sario. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/326 "2015-10-08T00:46:52Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I just wish I had a way to get around it. > > I need to commit to post at night, which I think I can do. Apologies for being a lesser posting player. If you ask around, you’ll see I have been playing actively since 2009. OOG: I could ask tomorrow at school? I have some savvy fellow students that might know how or at least have a few tips, depending on your circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/327 "2015-10-08T01:25:12Z")
I’m going to run through my thoughts on everybody who I didn’t discuss this morning and see if I can work myself into a vote. Day One, I thought we would be lynching on zero information and only slips of the tongue. Today, we have more information; much more, depending on how you read the dawn narration and some comments. I want a lynch, and I think it’ll be backed up by something substantial. I already touched on myself, **Prof. P.** and **Mosier**. I’m disappointed that the **Mosier** and **Astral** discussion didn’t develop more today, but it is what it is. Let’s move on to **Astral**. Day One, he was aggressive about a lynch. While I disagree, I can understand a legitimate disagreement. As I’m becoming more favorable to **Mosier** , **Astral** is becoming more adversarial (to where **Mosier** states he won’t be changing it for the rest of the day). **Astral** is right that you shouldn’t close the door to me as scum (I’m not, but only I’m certain of that). Post 63 is still pretty townie for the fair critique of the **Sairo** and **Prof.P.** votes. I’m moving **Astral** up my list, but I’m not confident he’s scum. He’s still not in the top three. **sangfroid** bugs me because he’s a hard read. Posts were few and low on information/opinions/substance. Day Two has been better (post 266. 292 is interesting too, if not terribly helpful.), but I’m still looking for more. It’s moving in the right direction. **Plum** ’s opinion of him after being on his side last game is also making me not eager to lynch. My number 1 and 2 candidates are moving down my list. Crap. **Mahaloth** is having internet trouble and lurking as a result. I’m willing to delay the lynch here because we have better lurkers, but that’s not going to last long. The vote for **WF Tomba** based on what appears to be revenge does not improve my opinion here. **Suburban Plankton** was on vacation Day One. Since I was on vacay Night One, I can understand and not hold that against him. On the other hand, Day Two hasn’t seen improvement. I’m leaning toward a vote here, barring a substantial comment by morning. **Plum** hasn’t posted a lot, but I think he’s been helpful when he has. **Sairo** has also been lurky. I don’t think the non-vote on Day One is too suspicious. I say this as somebody who cast a sincere but immaterial vote on Day One when I could have pushed **Mosier** to the brink of a lynch. **WF Tomba** has been posting some good townie information and speculation. The speculation that **Mosier** claiming and the speculation about “Detective” McClane didn’t pan out, but they’re solid townie contributions. So: **VOTE SUBURBAN PLANKTON** ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/328 "2015-10-08T02:28:15Z")
**VOTE SUBURBAN PLANKTON**. For the reasons I’ve previously stated and which Hooker just repeated. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/329 "2015-10-08T03:12:02Z")
Since people have been casting some suspicion on **Plumpudding** , I’ve prepared a review of significant activity by and involving him on Day 1: 54: Agrees that it might be hard to get a lynch on Day 1, but says he prefers a lynch because it moves the game forward. 65: I accuse him of lurking, and vote for him. 66: Prof. P assures me that Plum will start contributing a lot soon. 81: I reiterate that my vote for Plum is for lurking. 86: Plum puts some heat on Mosier, basically just reiterating what Astral had said. Also says a few things about lurkers. 87: Argues that no lynch is worse than mislynch because we don’t get information. 96: Reiterates his agreement with Astral on the weirdness of Mosier’s statements. Talks general strategy with me. 101: I say that Plum isn’t lurking anymore, and switch my vote to Mahaloth. 121: Casts the third vote for Mosier, because of the “weird” post already discussed. 126: Mosier asks Plum who his top suspect would be if Mosier is lynched and comes up Town. 137: Declines to answer Mosier’s question. Reviews his and other people’s votes, briefly confusing me with HookerChemical. Tells HookerChemical that sangfroid’s behavior is consistent with previous game. Tries to get sangfroid to give an opinion. 141: Asks Prof. P to expand on his statement that Sario and sangfroid’s non-voting looks Townish. 142: Prof. P explains his thinking to Plum. 154: Expresses disappointment at lack of Day 1 lynch. * * * What do I think? I can see why people are suspicious. It looks very bandwagonish. But of course, the significance of that depends on whether we think **Mosier** is Town. In fact, the more I look at this, the more I notice just how much the first two Days have revolved around **Mosier**. If we knew for sure what his alignment was, we’d have the key to this game. I thought he was probably Town earlier, but that was because I thought he was claiming a power role. But now that he’s disclaimed any power role, I can’t help thinking that the best thing for us to do now is lynch him. Worst case scenario, we lose a vanilla townie. Basically, I think that **Astral** ’s argument from yesterday, that we need to lynch **Mosier** in order to learn the meaning of our information, has finally become true. Enough information has accumulated, plus the potential downside has been greatly reduced with **Mosier** ’s admission that he has no power role. **Mosier** , what do you think of the idea of being sacrificed for information now? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/330 "2015-10-08T03:20:30Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > [Snip] **sangfroid** bugs me because he’s a hard read. Posts were few and low on information/opinions/substance. Day Two has been better (post 266. 292 is interesting too, if not terribly helpful.), but I’m still looking for more. It’s moving in the right direction. **Plum** ’s opinion of him after being on his side last game is also making me not eager to lynch. My number 1 and 2 candidates are moving down my list. Crap.[Snip] Regarding my opinion sangfroid, take it for what it is. I got to know two players last game that is present in this game, \*\*sangfroid \*\*and **Prof**. I didn’t really get to know **Sario** because of lurking and \*\*Mahaloth \*\*was killed too early for me to really form an impression of him. I voted **sangroid** last game. It was a coin toss between him and **Sario**. I begged him to talk to me, change my mind, and he never did. He kept that up until the end. I was wrong then, and I have no idea now, but to me it looks like \*\*sangfroid \*\*is behaving pretty similar to how he did last game. I think we should give him time and encourage him to begin sharing his thoughts for now. Anyway UNVOTE SARIO I went over his posts, and while it is true he hasn’t posted much substance, and a lot of that has been misunderstandings, he has been helpful. There are more posts like this, but all these posts seem to instigate or try to instigate discussion: Posts [46](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18730777&postcount=46), [49](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18730946&postcount=49)(yes I consider this helpful), [131](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18736300&postcount=131), and post [160](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18736921&postcount=160). I’m not so sure I feel that strongly about \*\*Sario \*\*having a high post count yesterDay and not voting as I did. I mostly wanted to throw out a vote anyway, but I think I’d rather look somewhere else and keep **Sario** around also. Then I began reading up on **Suburban Plankton** , and I realise he is almost the opposite. He didn’t post much at all, and many of his posts are without much game related substance, like these: [201](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18740578&postcount=210), [213](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18740659&postcount=213), [221](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18741753&postcount=221), [257](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18747427&postcount=257). Also, his vote on Mosier was pretty unsubstantiated and also a joke, apparently: [108](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18734955&postcount=108), [124](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18735579&postcount=124). Most of what he’s said has been about being on vacation, laying on the beach, colour text and some jokes. Well, this makes it silly to keep my vote, as I’ve basically convinced myself that I find **Suburban Plankton** a better lynch. VOTE SUBURBAN PLANKTON I don’t mind how this makes me look, but I’m gonna be third in again, **Mosier**! ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/331 "2015-10-08T03:20:42Z")
\*\*UPDATED VOTE COUNT \*\* Suburban Plankton - 3 (Hooker Chemical, Professor Pepperwinkle, Plumpudding) Astral Rejection - 1 (Mosier) Mahaloth - 1 (WF Tomba) WF Tomba - 1 (Mahaloth) 6 votes required for a lynch. Less than 14 hours left in the Day Phase. Play on, players! ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/332 "2015-10-08T03:41:28Z")
I see no reason to leave my vote on **Mahaloth** anymore. If my proposal to sacrifice **Mosier** gets support, I’ll vote for him. If not, I’ll vote for **Plankton** so we can at least get rid of a lurker. **UNVOTE MAHALOTH** ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/333 "2015-10-08T03:50:49Z")
Participating is good, not bad, and I have no idea whether my vote toDay means squat, but at the risk of “bandwagon” , I Vote **SUBURBAN PLANKTON**. Most of the reasons have already been outlined. We NEED a lynch his round, and information. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/334 "2015-10-08T04:53:13Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > I’m disappointed that the **Mosier** and **Astral** discussion didn’t develop more today, but it is what it is. Well you are in luck, my friend, because here I am. I started this post earlier, but I had a prior engagement to head off too, and (for once) chose not to just write a bunch of junk in a hurry before I left. I finally have time to finish responding to Mosier’s post in #301. * * * Mosier, the point I was trying to make about numbers of scum was that, either way, we don’t gain an extra day/night phase for not lynching on D1, regardless of how many scum there are, or on how bad my math was. _That’s what I’ve been trying to point out_. It honestly doesn’t matter how many scum there, only that there’s a serious negative result for town if we chose not to lynch. Scum have one more body to hide amongst when we fail, and they have no additional day/night buffer phases between them and victory. I think the lack of direction today pretty clearly demonstrates the effect of the no-lynch. This seems so obvious to me, but I think you and I are destined to go back and forth on this, so I’ll agree to drop it if you will. 🙂 The only thing I’m going to defend against is your claim that I tried to distance myself from your death. I don’t see how this claim makes sense. I was the first to vote for you, I said I’d vote for you again in the middle of the day, and then I voted for you again. I pushed for town to vote for you, I said you were my top choice, and now I’m seriously considering voting for you all over again! Nobody can crack that code and figure out how I feel about you! I think the rest of your complaint is about me doing what _everybody_ should be doing: commenting on the rest of the game. You know, and can look up, how I felt about most votes and happenings throughout the game. When I am lynched or night killed, you can use my thoughts to help develop new cases or add ammunition to existing ones. You can say, to use your own example, “Astral found nothing suspicious about Prof. Pepperwinkle’s lurking vote, so maybe that by itself is not a good sign of Prof. P’s scummyness. I’ll need to reconsider him a little,” because you have my thoughts on record. When I responded favorably to Prof P’s vote, it’s not that I’d vote for a lurker, or even his chosen lurker; it’s that the vote itself did not seem objectionable to me. That’s valuable information down the line, and that’s why I try to prod other players for their thoughts on the current state of affairs. Getting opinions on record ties down players. When scum get closer to the end-game, they’ll need to turn the lynch toward players they might have already commented positively on. That gives us a chance to say “but wait, didn’t you say…?” Being reticent to comment hurts town, and hides scum. Also, I promise I won’t mention the number of scum ever agai- > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > At this point I think we need to assume there are three scum. If we’re wrong, then we benefit. Aw jeez, now you’ve done it! ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/335 "2015-10-08T05:02:45Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Astral has been very aggressive. I can hardly fault him for that, I don’t have a lean yet. I’m curious about exactly why he changed his vote to sangfroid, considering he already had a case going with **Mosier** , but we’ll probably never know. Um, why will we never know, exactly? You could just ask me. 🙂 My philosophy is that votes are cheap, and easy to move, and nothing motivates scum like receiving a vote. By prodding Sangroid into action, I was trying to force him to actually comment on the game. If he’s scum, maybe he gives us something juicy to work with. Maybe it puts other scum lurkers on guard, and they choose to alter their play style. It’s far more effective than just saying “Hey, I’m kinda suspicious of that,” which is easily lost in the noise. Plus, I mean, he really was lurking! My vote represents my suspicion in a tangible way, but you shouldn’t take it to mean that I had then entirely abandoned all suspicion of Mosier. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/336 "2015-10-08T05:17:18Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > …or we can not lynch again, and hope our power roles can save us again. Please don’t do this to me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/337 "2015-10-08T05:26:00Z")
Ok guys, everybody slow down a second. We’re seriously just going to lynch the lurker, for no other reason besides lurking? If he’s scum, it’ll be because of random luck that we got him. If he’s town, it doesn’t reveal anything about anyone else (unless I’m overlooking something - feel free to try to argue against it). At least by lynching someone like me or Astral (but mostly Astral), you’ll have actual info you can use later in the game. I’m not going to pile on this vote. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/338 "2015-10-08T05:31:29Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > **Mosier** , what do you think of the idea of being sacrificed for information now? I would be very against this, unless everyone agrees to vote for Astral first and Plumpudding second once I’m revealed. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/339 "2015-10-08T05:53:21Z")
One final plea to vote for Astral before I go to bed. Everyone please read over Astral’s posts so far, and ask yourselves “Would Astral have said this if he were scum?” If you answer “probably not” more than once or twice, then don’t vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/340 "2015-10-08T10:30:17Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Um, why will we never know, exactly? You could just ask me. 🙂 > > My philosophy is that votes are cheap, and easy to move, and nothing motivates scum like receiving a vote. By prodding Sangroid into action, I was trying to force him to actually comment on the game. If he’s scum, maybe he gives us something juicy to work with. Maybe it puts other scum lurkers on guard, and they choose to alter their play style. It’s far more effective than just saying “Hey, I’m kinda suspicious of that,” which is easily lost in the noise. > > Plus, I mean, he really was lurking! My vote represents my suspicion in a tangible way, but you shouldn’t take it to mean that I had then entirely abandoned all suspicion of Mosier. Yeah, I guess I meant to add a “for sure” somewhere. Your explanation sounds fair enough to me. And yeah, I agree you had a case, for Day One at least, apart from the whole “him being him” thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988.md?page=18)