# Dante's Action Hero Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 29, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988 "2015-09-29T22:59:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/121 "2015-10-02T01:34:26Z")
I’m gonna **VOTE MOSIER** , because of this post… > [@Mosier](#): > > I am voting on flimsy speculation. I’ll explain, but I’m warning you in advance that it’s weak and shallow. > > I don’t think mafia game masters pick the player roles randomly. In fact, I think they tend to pick scum based on who they think the best or smartest or cleverest players are. I recognize SP as a clever person, and he’s someone I would want in a scum role if I was leading a game. Obviously I have no evidence of this, because nobody has any evidence of anything this early. But if I’m wrong, you’ll have a pretty good suspicion that I’m scum and you can just lynch me day 2, for a better town/scum ratio than we have now. I just find it really weird. I see no good reason to post such an argument and I see no good reason to keep the vote on **Suburban Plankton**. But I’m by no means sure, so I’d appreciate some convincing cases both for and against. I’m off to the hay. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/122 "2015-10-02T02:27:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The “check in, no scum hunting” post rubs me wrong. And we are voting with all caps? Weird. OK. > > VOTE ASTRAL REJECTION This is fair enough, although technically one of those was “check _on_, no scum hunting” due to a phone autocorrect. 😃 I thought that was a the clearest way to express my point of view in the short time I had to post. I can’t argue with a gut feeling vote like this seems to be, but come on… you don’t find it a _little_ suspicious how many times Sangroid has explicitly checked in just to check in? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Oh, I see exactly what you are accusing him of. He played exactly the same way last game and he was Town. sangfroid posting more often is his attempt at being more “Town” but he’s not really convincing. At this point I don’t think he’s scum. I’ll take your word for it that this is how Sangfroid plays, then. I didn’t notice this particular quirk, but since I wasn’t playing, I followed along far more loosely. I still hope my vote spurs Sangfroid into action, because his posts strike me as just a different kind of lurking, and I want as many people chiming in on everything as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/123 "2015-10-02T02:50:25Z")
Here’s where we’re at vote-wise: Mosier - **3** (Suburban Plankton, Prof. Pepperwinkle, Plumpudding) Suburbanplankton - **2** (Mosier, Sario) Astral Rejection - **1** (Mahaloth) Mahaloth - **1** (WF Tomba) Sangfroid - **1** (Astral Rejection) **Not Voting** - HookerChemical, Sangfroid The front-runner would be Mosier, followed by Suburban Plankton. I’m currently voting for a one-off because I want to pressure Sario, but I also want a lynch to happen. I’m planning on transferring my vote to Mosier before the day ends, because of the two targets, I would most like to see him lynched. I’m not currently suspicious of Suburban Plankton beyond OMGUS reasons, because his few posts have kept him off my radar. Lurking succeeds again, but his vacation is an _extremely_ acceptable reason to lurk. WF Tomba, you are also voting for a one-off. Do you want a lynch to happen, and if so, will you be moving your vote? Same question for Mahaloth. It really only hit me when I was re-reading the thread, but 6 out of 10 votes is a hell of a consensus to try to reach in two days. I think in my last game, the lynch-winners (losers?) usually had four or five votes on them, and that was with 20-some-odd players casting their votes about. So, we might all want a lynch to happen, and it might still fail. I’d still like for us to try. Here’s an interesting quirk of the consensus issue, though - I think this puts a ton of pressure on scum to “go along with” a town lynch of scum, because scum wouldn’t want to be the very conspicuous few votes to not lynch their brethren. That’s a point in our favor, although it’s classic wine-in-front-of-me all over again in figuring out who’s who. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/124 "2015-10-02T03:08:01Z")
> [@Sario](#): > > Both Astral and Mosier are looking iffy to me but this post doesn’t sit well either. You cast one vote and then immediately turn around and go in a different direction. I’m thinking your just trying to spread some suspicion around. > > VOTE SUBURBAN PLANKTON The first vote was (I thought) quite clearly a joke, riffing of Astral’s prior problems making ‘Gouda jokes’. Clearly, making jokes about cheese is bag luck in Mafia; I’ll need to make note of that for the future. And since my votes were improperly formatted, let me correct that here: **VOTE MOSIER** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/125 "2015-10-02T03:36:20Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The first vote was (I thought) quite clearly a joke, riffing of Astral’s prior problems making ‘Gouda jokes’. Clearly, making jokes about cheese is bag luck in Mafia; I’ll need to make note of that for the future. These cheese jokes are **murder!** ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/126 "2015-10-02T04:35:12Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’m gonna **VOTE MOSIER** , because of this post… > I just find it really weird. I see no good reason to post such an argument and I see no good reason to keep the vote on **Suburban Plankton**. But I’m by no means sure, so I’d appreciate some convincing cases both for and against. I’m off to the hay. Out of curiosity, if I get lynched and you find out I’m vanilla town, who would be your #1 suspect? ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/127 "2015-10-02T05:49:24Z")
Geez… I’d say I’m just checking in, but **Astral’d** probably slam me for it. I understand the need for a good clean lynch Day one, but as a relative newcomer to Mafia here, what are the odds of a positive outcome? **Mosier** is building votes, but based on what? So is **SuburbanPlankton**. I’ll vote, willingly, for anyone scum-ish, but are we better off not lynching Day one, and seeing if that reveals valuable information? We don’t have a lot of players - a mis-lynch, followed by a NK looks bad to me. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/128 "2015-10-02T12:45:50Z")
So the question to me is am I confident it’s **Mosier** to cast the tipping vote on him. I’m leaning yes, but I’ll give it a moment of thought. But I’m still not very confident. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/129 "2015-10-02T12:52:46Z")
On the other hand, **sangfroid** ’s play is not consistent with his town play in the last game. That could be learning curve and adjustment to the game, but it could be indicative of scum. I’m tempted to vote **sangfroid** as my number 2 candidate because I’m not confident in **Mosier** as number 1 and don’t see much value in a mislynch. Also, the voting on him seems far too bandwagony and scummy. Thoughts and arguments wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/130 "2015-10-02T13:03:40Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The first vote was (I thought) quite clearly a joke, riffing of Astral’s prior problems making ‘Gouda jokes’. Clearly, making jokes about cheese is bag luck in Mafia; I’ll need to make note of that for the future. > > And since my votes were improperly formatted, let me correct that here: > > **VOTE MOSIER** > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > These cheese jokes are **murder!** And my pattern of misunderstanding people continues.:smack: **UNVOTE PLANKTON** ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/131 "2015-10-02T13:20:12Z")
Ok, we have about 3 and a half hours till EoD, and by my count our vote leader has only half of votes needed to lynch. We have very little room for error so we can’t really afford a mislynch, but at the same time, going into the next Day without a lynch feels like starting over from the beginning again. I’m highly conflicted, but I think I’m going to withhold my vote and see what toNight brings. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/132 "2015-10-02T13:20:21Z")
The first rule of Mafia is: There are no cheese jokes in Mafia. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/133 "2015-10-02T13:24:10Z")
If we don’t vote to lynch today, then Hans Gruber and company will kill in the night. However, it is likely some of us do have power roles (though how many only Dante knows), and consideration of that should be a mitigating factor in whether or not we actually lynch. If it’s anything like the last game there are at least a Seer and a Doctor, and, IIRC, Dante was talking about other roles. But he was also hoping for 16 players, so there’s that to consider as well. ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/134 "2015-10-02T13:57:34Z")
Dang, guys… Just how bad is a no-lynch first round? Statistically speaking? I’m having a hard time placing a vote on just random accusations. I’ll try to be back online at least once more before EOD, but if I don’t make it, I hope a no-vote doesn’t paint me in a corner. Is it better to mis-lynch, or abstain? Veteran Townies, I need some advice here… ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/135 "2015-10-02T14:11:19Z")
\*\*\*\*UPDATED VOTE COUNT Mosier - 3 (Suburban Plankton, Professor Pepperwinkle, Plumpudding) Suburban Plankton - 1 (Mosier) Astral Rejection - 1 (Mahaloth) Mahaloth - 1 (WF Tomba) Sangfroid - 1 (Astral Rejection) There is approximately 2.5 hours left until end of day. 6 votes required for a lynch. Play on, players!! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/136 "2015-10-02T14:18:04Z")
If nothing else, the Scum want us to mislynch. It makes their job that much easier. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/137 "2015-10-02T14:18:22Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Out of curiosity, if I get lynched and you find out I’m vanilla town, who would be your #1 suspect? Hummm… I don’t think any of us have enough info to speculate on who would be the best lynch Day Two, if you are lynched and turn up town. I’d rather focus on toDay, to be honest. Okay, we’re close to EOD, so I’ll post my take on the cases so far: **Mosier** : Voted on by **Suburban Plankton** , **Prof. Pepperwinkle** and me. \*\*Mosier \*\*made a very weird post that is difficult to read either way. He also placed a vote based on very bad reasoning and have not unvoted or switched after being shown why your reasoning is faulty. **Suburban Plankton** : Voted on by \*\*Mosier \*\*for reasons shown to be wrong. **Astral Rejection** : Voted on by \*\*Mahaloth \*\*because of his “check in” post([114](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18735107&postcount=114)) on **sangfroid**. **Mahaloth** : Voted on by \*\*HookerChemical \*\*for lurking. **Sangfroid** : Voted on by **Astral Rejection** for checking in without posting much of substance. \*\*Sangfroid \*\*did this the other game too. I hope \*\*sangfroid \*\*will give us a bit more to work on before EOD. I think \*\*Astral \*\*has been quite accusatory, so I understand **Mahaloth** ’s vote. On the other hand, being accusatory is not necessarily scummy. His argument for voting \*\*sangfroid \*\*is as valid as any Day One vote, but knowing how \*\*sangfroid \*\*played last game, I’m not sure I’m comfortable lynching him before he’s done more than check in. @ **HookerChemical** : Regarding **sangfroid** ’s play being consistent, this is pretty similar to how he played last game. Lots of posts about more or less nothing, asking others for advice and not giving any reason for why not to suspect him. If you look at the last Day of the last game, you’ll see he kept this up until the very end. IMO. @ **sangfroid** : You’ve asked why we should have a lynch several times, but do you have any thoughts on that of your own? Several people have provided their perspective throughout the thread, what is your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/138 "2015-10-02T14:21:01Z")
\*\*Mahaloth \*\*was voted on by **WF Tomba** , not **HookerChemical**. Sorry for messing up! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/139 "2015-10-02T14:30:34Z")
IMHO, Sario and Sangfroid NOT casting throwaway votes at this point strikes me as Town. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988/140 "2015-10-02T14:31:00Z")
**VOTE MOSIER** That’s the fourth vote there. It’s unlikely to lead to the lynch, but it expresses my suspicions. **Plum** , I’ll take another look at the previous game. You probably have a better feel for it since you were in the trenches. Thanks for your thoughts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantes-action-hero-mafia/732988.md?page=8)