# dantheman. You're such a putz! About Euty....You too, Esprix. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283 "2003-07-23T00:56:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/21 "2003-07-23T03:44:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by samclem \* > **minty** perhaps best expresses what I meant to say. I should only live so long as to approach his writing ability. Did you _see_ that extraneous comma, just sitting out there for all the world to hold in disdain? And did I mention that when I was reviewing a kickass brief I wrote this spring, I found a subject-verb agreement error right in the Statement of the Fucking Case? I’m such an amateur. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Persephone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@Persephone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Persephone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/22 "2003-07-23T04:06:58Z")
Please, stop. Please. This is, by my count, the eighth thread started having something to do with this entire mess. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/23 "2003-07-23T04:07:33Z")
However, need I remind you folks that all of the other threads on the topic were closed and one poster was temporarily banned for starting one? It’s not like we had a world of opportunity to discuss it. The Cafe Society thread was the only one left open so it got the people who had something to say. As for all of this “That thread was a tribute to Euty and people should’ve respected that and not said anything bad about the other people involved” crap, I refer you to Mark Antony’s funeral oration in _Julius Caesar._ ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/24 "2003-07-23T04:07:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by samclem \* > \*\ ***minty** perhaps best expresses what I meant to say. I should only live so long as to approach his writing ability. Sorry if I muddled it. > > The original thread was in tribute to **Euty** , one of the great Mods here. Not many would disagree with that statement. It was informational from the thread starter(Ed Zotti). I felt it was in the correct thread, as most of Euty’s fans would see it. > \*\* One of the great mods? Debatable. There are those who would disagree. I don’t think he is laudable as a mod. Teemings is an accomplishment, and is something to be given accolades for. The sycophantic outrage that someone might disagree on this topic is ludicrous and goes against the very basis of the board. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/25 "2003-07-23T04:11:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Persephone \* > \*\*Please, stop. Please. > > This is, by my count, the eighth thread started having something to do with this entire mess. > > I’m sorry. \*\* With all due respect, Persephone, don’t you think that having a single pit thread to release the steam generated by this is necessary? I am very sorry for the stress and fallout that has been caused and has fallen for you and Euty. Quite a few have commented to me privately that they’ve gotten quite the sense of tension since this brouhaha, and I question whether this thread shouldn’t continue to let off steam and to try and return to the sub-normalcy that the board was used to. This is simply my opinion, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/26 "2003-07-23T04:32:38Z")
And mine. Everybody needs to burn this out once and for all. I’m sorry that Persephone’s embarassment must continue; I consider her and Euty friends and I don’t even like watching people I **don’t** like twist in the wind, but this has struck a nerve on this board that was raw long before I joined. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/27 "2003-07-23T04:40:22Z")
> [@](#): > > One of the great mods? Debatable. Ya’ know, **Mockingbird**. I just used that as an off-handed reference. I wasn’t trying to pick a fight about **Euty**. You, on the otherhand, may have a pecking-order, which ranks the Mods from 1-zed. I don’t. I merely was saying that **Euty** was one of many competent, great Mods here who do/did a job that is thankless, without pay, and so much better than the crap that passes for Mod-dom on other boards. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/28 "2003-07-23T04:48:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > **With all due respect, Persephone, don’t you think that having a single pit thread to release the steam generated by this is necessary?** While I agree that a Pit Thread may be useful–for some of the reasons **Mockingbird** noted–the Cafe Society thread simply wasn’t the place for arguments over whether **Euty** was wrong or right. If posters felt that **Eutychus** didn’t deserve the accolades and/or well-wishes he received in that thread, then those same posters should have opened a Pit thread in opposition; it would have been a more appropriate forum. That said, I’m also perfectly aware that any Pit thread about **Euty** ’s departure and the events leading up to it will turn out to be a train wreck. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/29 "2003-07-23T05:14:38Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by samclem_ > Miller You and I must have read different threads. dantheman was the person who continued vitriol about wronging Euty. You obviously have favorites here with whom you agree. I strive to read all sides of the question, and agree with whom makes the most sense(to me). You probably see it differently. That’s gonna happen. Hmm. Yeah. Y’know what? Fuck you. I don’t play favorites, and I resent the accusation. **dantheman** wasn’t happy about **Eutychus** leaving. Seems an appropriate sentiment in _a thread about **Eutychus** leaving_. Jesus, he’s trying to stand up for the guy, and you take _him_ to the pit, instead of **Cartooniverse** , who was trying to turn the thread against **Persephone**? Of course, since you had to take a backhanded swipe against her in the OP to this thread, it’s not surprising you don’t see anything wrong with his post. Who’s playing favorites now, punk? And to drag **Esprix** into it for trying to head off yet another trainwreck is just fucking pathetic. What is it with assholes pitting **Esprix**? He’s got to be one of the clearest, most insightful, and generally blameless posters on the boards, and he get Pitted every other week. Meanwhile, I’ve been an asshole to at least three people today alone, once in the wrong forum, and I haven’t been Pitted _once_! When’s it my turn, goddammit? Hmm, seem to have lost my focus. Regrouping. You: wrong. **dantheman** : understandably angry. **Esprix** : fabulous. Me: Tired and going to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/30 "2003-07-23T06:47:55Z")
What, _again?_ Christ, I gotta get some sleep _some_time! **sam** , which post, specifically, am I being dragged into this for? I’d like to know - otherwise I’d just be bored. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/31 "2003-07-23T08:24:33Z")
Persephone, hon, I’m sorry, and I will try to eliminate any references to you and “the situation” as they are not relevent, at least to me and to why I post to these kind of threads. For me it’s all about what kind of community this is going to be, and weather the administration is going to show the balls a 12 week old male fetus has and stand up for what’s right or are they going to continue to embrace the malaise that grips America and cover up, pass the buck and weasel about everything. It’s all so simple, all it takes is somewilling to stand up and say “I WAS WRONG”. It’s not even that hard, hell it could be done without even diminishing the posters in question, but everyone nowadays seems to want to do anything to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. They’re all a bunch of whiney children, and that very much distresses me. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/32 "2003-07-23T10:42:00Z")
I will assure you of one thing I have learned: the dark spectre of politics can slime its way up to the top of the very tallest pedastal. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/33 "2003-07-23T13:52:23Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\* For me it’s all about what kind of community this is going to be, and weather the administration is going to show the balls a 12 week old male fetus has and stand up for what’s right or are they going to continue to embrace the malaise that grips America and cover up, pass the buck and weasel about everything._\* Jesus Fucking Christ, will you please save the “stand up for what’s right” shit for an actual issue where like lives are at stake or something. \*\* > [@](#): > > It’s all so simple, all it takes is somewilling to stand up and say “I WAS WRONG”. \*\* Perhaps he wasn’t wrong. I don’t think he was. Is it even remotely possible that an opinion other than yours on this has some merit? Should someone admit fault even it they believe in their heart that they are right? Haj ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/34 "2003-07-23T14:07:44Z")
I’m going to second all that Hajaro said. This is so fucking pointless. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/35 "2003-07-23T14:13:22Z")
I’m blaming that troublemaker Scotticher. That thread was going smoothly until she piped in with her opinion. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/36 "2003-07-23T15:33:01Z")
The thread in Cafe Society was out of control sadly, but I guess the administration allowed it to be that way, as I imagine a few of those posts were reported/viewed by the Admins or Mods. I guess it’s a little ironic as Euty probably would have repremanded a few posters for making Pit posts in a Cafe Society thread had he been there. As a Cafe Society poster, I thought he did a fine job. For his role in the controversy I am withholding judgment, as I did not have access to the Mods forum or emails and prefer evidence prior to making up my mind. And much like the **Unban Satan** debacle it seems that way too much mud is getting slung in the process. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/37 "2003-07-23T16:39:14Z")
Although I’m still confused, and **sam** hasn’t come back to clarify, I’m going to take a stab at this. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **samclem** _ > > The original thread was in tribute to **Euty** , one of the great Mods here… **dantheman** and **Esprix** seem to have a hard on to bend the thread towards a continued discussion of the merits of the flap, and how wronged **Euty** was… I added **Esprix** at the last moment with his reply to **cartooniverse**. OK, if this is about **dan** talking about whether or not “hiatus” was an accurate term, you’re correct - perhaps that wasn’t the best thread to debate that in. The only reason I said what I said (i.e., “hiatus” is, indeed, a misnomer in this case) was because people other than **dan** were also asking, and since it’s fairly public knowledge through other sources that **Euty** was indeed asked to give up his duties, I figured saying so there would quash all these “did he/didn’t he” questions people were asking. Frankly, I didn’t feel yet another Pit thread was necessary, but obviously you did. That issue aside, I think you’ll see that both **dan** and I both asked **Cartoon** to reconsider rehashing the whole topic yet again, and in an inappropriate thread. How is that “hav[ing] a hard on to bend the thread towards a continued discussion of the merits of the flap, and how wronged **Euty** was?” If anything, I see it as trying to **stop** such a hijack. So your solution is to start yet another thread? Yeah, that’s a _great_ way to let the issue get put to rest once and for all. :rolleyes: Nice way to be a grade-A jackass, there, pal. Good going. We’re all very proud. For the record, I stand by my assertion that **Cartoon** was being a jackass in that thread. Why is it he’ll tell me to “take it to the Pit” when I point out he’s in the wrong forum and the wrong thread when he could have done the same thing instead of attempt to derail what was a very nice farewell thread for someone who was, in a sense, outside the scope of what he was bitching about in the first place? And now that I’ve checked the thread I see **Cartoon** has apologized, so I thank him for that. But, hey - as luck would have it, here **samclem** has gone to all the trouble of giving you (and others) a thread to continue rehashing this issue a few more times. Have fun! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/38 "2003-07-23T17:04:13Z")
Sorry, Persephone. I posted to that other thread again and was as off-topic as Cartooniverse. I think to some extent people are trying to vent their anger and/or disappointment with each others’ behavior. It’s not about you anymore, although I am sure it feels that way. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/39 "2003-07-23T17:52:11Z")
Yeah, that was pretty shitty of you, there, **Cranky**. You and **BooksWoods** should form a club. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/40 "2003-07-23T18:10:14Z")
I’ll assume **Esprix** , that that was sarcasm as my sarcasmotron is on the blink at the moment 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283.md?page=3)