# dantheman. You're such a putz! About Euty....You too, Esprix. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283 "2003-07-23T00:56:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/41 "2003-07-23T18:15:53Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Xploder** _ > > I’ll assume **Esprix** , that that was sarcasm as my sarcasmotron is on the blink at the moment What, that I think **Cranky** and **Books** are being as jerkish as **Cartoon** was in trying to enflame the whole debate yet again in a thread that turned into a tribute of sorts to **Euty**? Nope - no sarcasm there. Just my opinion, of course, but here we are with yet another Pit thread about it, so if we must hash this all over again, I think we ought to do it here and not there. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/42 "2003-07-23T18:25:49Z")
Well Esprix, I let the situation get away from me in that thread and didn’t heed the side of me that whisperedd "not here, do it elsewhere. And then I was late finding this thread. Foolish, maybe. A mistake, yes. But “Shitty?” “Jerkish?” I think that’s an adjective that applies better to people who have genuine ill-will towards others. Your snippy little comment about “forming a club” didn’t go over well with me, either. ---
**Author:** ![BooksWoods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooksWoods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooksWoods)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/43 "2003-07-23T18:42:39Z")
Esprix: > [@](#): > > I didn’t feel yet another Pit thread was necessary, but obviously you did. > [@](#): > > So your solution is to start yet another thread? Yeah, that’s a great way to let the issue get put to rest once and for all. > [@](#): > > But, hey - as luck would have it, here samclem has gone to all the trouble of giving you (and others) a thread to continue rehashing this issue a few more times. Have fun! This is becoming downright hysterical. Esprix continues to vent and contribute to a Pit thread that he thinks is unnecessary. He even criticises all the "others who vent and contributes to it. Good job putting it to rest, Esprix. Esprix has said his piece, so quick, everybody else move on! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/44 "2003-07-23T18:44:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hajario \* > \*\*Jesus Fucking Christ, will you please save the “stand up for what’s right” shit for an actual issue where like lives are at stake or something. > > \*\* > > Perhaps he wasn’t wrong. I don’t think he was. Is it even remotely possible that an opinion other than yours on this has some merit? Should someone admit fault even it they believe in their heart that they are right? > > Haj \*\* Oh, but I believe you delibertly misunderstand me. I don’t particularly care about the incident that started the whole thing, this has nothing to do with Cristi at all. It’s about Dex, flaming a poster in MPSIMS and then starting a half assed pit thread when he had the ability to find out what was happening with little effort on his part. My anger is because of the “administrator” title that Dex holds. You can go on and on about mods and administrators being posters too, but the point is that they are held to a higher standard, as they should be. I was told as much when I had inquired about what the board was looking for in mods ( with the eye to applying to become one myself ). Dex’s “I’m sorry because they are making me say that I am” “apology” was simply one more piece of the puzzle, and the picture that puzzle is revealing is an ugly one. Administrators, while responsible for enforcing the rules for everyone else, are not held to those same set of rules themselves. The railroading of an innocent mod to complete the cover up was simply the icing on the cake. If Ed had simply posted " Dex was wrong ( not because of what he said, but because of how he acted ) and after talking with him, it won’t happen again" and Dex had posted that he was sorry _for the way he acted_ ( again, nothing about the situation in question, he, and everyone else, has the right to feel however they want about it ), it would have long been over. Instead of doing the right thing, the administration opted to weasel and this succession of ongoing threads is the result. ---
**Author:** ![BooksWoods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooksWoods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooksWoods)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/45 "2003-07-23T18:51:10Z")
I meant to say “He even criticises all the ‘others’ who vent and contribute to it.” Again, _again_ I ask: **WHY** is it okay to lament that Eutychus was obviously “wronged” by the evil MB administration, without having all the information? Is this considered giving “tribute” to Euty? But it’s NOT okay to say that Euty (or any of his pals) was in the wrong about anything unless we have “more information”? I’m new here. Please, somebody 'splain me the rules! ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/46 "2003-07-23T18:57:47Z")
This is so stupid. Don’t you get tired of pointing the bony finger of blame at each other? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/47 "2003-07-23T18:59:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CrankyAsAnOldMan \* > > Well Esprix, I let the situation get away from me in that thread and didn’t heed the side of me that whisperedd "not here, do it elsewhere. And then I was late finding this thread. Foolish, maybe. A mistake, yes. But “Shitty?” “Jerkish?” I think that’s an adjective that applies better to people who have genuine ill-will towards others. Live and learn. I had hoped that thread would remain a nice thread for folks to pay their respects to **Euty** , but instead people chose to shit in it. I think that sucks, but that’s just my opinion. > [@](#): > > Your snippy little comment about “forming a club” didn’t go over well with me, either. Aw, boo hoo. I do like you, but I don’t like that you did that, and it made you look as shallow as **Cartoon** and **Books** , at least to me. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/48 "2003-07-23T19:06:17Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **BooksWoods** _ > > Esprix continues to vent and contribute to a Pit thread that he thinks is unnecessary… > > Esprix has said his piece, so quick, everybody else move on! On the contrary - this thread is just fine. But once again debating who was right and who was wrong **in _that_ thread** I think was inappropriate. Trust me, I have my own strong opinions about this situation like a lot of other people, and I may very well jump back into this fray as well. But the Pit, and this thread (or one like it), would be the place to do it. Again, I hated seeing what was turning into a nice thread for **Euty** get shit all over by the likes of you. \*\*Again, _again_ I ask: **WHY** is it okay to lament that Eutychus was obviously “wronged” by the evil MB administration, without having all the information? Is this considered giving “tribute” to Euty? But it’s NOT okay to say that Euty (or any of his pals) was in the wrong about anything unless we have “more information”? [/quote] It’s not wrong - lament away (and for that matter, tribute away as well). You’re going on and on about how no one knows the whole story, but then again, neither do you, bub. (And if you read about the situation from other sources - LiveJournal, for example - you’d have a much better idea of other sides of the story besides what was posted publicly to the SDMB. Once you do that, yes, a little more truth comes out.) Does that help? (Oh, and thank you for posting that here, and not in the other thread, which was my hope all along.) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/49 "2003-07-23T19:08:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\* Why is it he’ll tell me to “take it to the Pit” when I point out he’s in the wrong forum and the wrong thread when he could have done the same thing instead of attempt to derail what was a very nice farewell thread for someone who was, in a sense, outside the scope of what he was bitching about in the first place? And now that I’ve checked the thread I see **Cartoon** has apologized, so I thank him for that. > > \*\* Not to cause issues, but your determination of “wrong forum and the wrong thread” is just your personal opinion isn’t it? Seeing Ed opened that thread there and numerous other Pit-like posts were allowed without repremand or punishment, including Cartoon’s post, your comment seems to be Junior Modding to me. If you have a problem with the content then let loose with why, either here or there. But I believe the “wrong forum and the wrong thread” determination is for the Mods to make. Now for my opinion- I wish they would lock that damn thread or move it to the Pit. There are way too many Pit-like posts and topics invovled. Finally: > [@](#): > > I’ll assume Esprix, that that was sarcasm as my sarcasmotron is on the blink at the moment [obligitory Simpsons reference] Oh, a sarcasmotron, that’s a real useful invention. [/Simpsons] ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/50 "2003-07-23T19:17:03Z")
Hey, Books, that’s actually a good question, facetious though it was, about when it’s okay to make assumptions and when it’s not. I think some of us are holding a double-standard. We fail to realize how much friendship (or heat of the battle, perhaps) blinds us sometimes. Welcome to the boards. And to the club I am supposed to be forming with you. 😉 At any rate, I’m sorry there was a problem in the first place, I’m sorry the boards blew up over it, and I’m sorry Eutychus was compelled to take a break from a job he was by all accounts pretty good at. And I’m sorry that I have not said that where it should have been said. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/51 "2003-07-23T19:19:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > > Not to cause issues, but your determination of “wrong forum and the wrong thread” is just your personal opinion isn’t it? Yup - just my opinion. > [@](#): > > Seeing Ed opened that thread there and numerous other Pit-like posts were allowed without repremand or punishment, including Cartoon’s post, your comment seems to be Junior Modding to me. Trust me, I’m as surprised as anyone at the fact that not only did **Ed** post it there knowing that it could very well (and likely would) devolve into a Pit-like thread (although perhaps he put it there in the hopes of _preventing_ exactly that), but that those posts have, indeed, been allowed. I understand why **Ed** put it there, but if **Cartoon** had wanted to continue the debate, he should have done what **samclem** did, which was start a Pit thread. Yeah, this is all IMHO, but, again, I just hate to see what was a relatively benign, nice thread paying homage to **Euty** getting hijacked into the painful discussion that caused him to get fired in the first place! > [@](#): > > If you have a problem with the content then let loose with why, either here or there. I’ve said quite a bit on the **Dex/Per/Euty** fiasco, and have my opinions. Or did you mean something else? > [@](#): > > But I believe the “wrong forum and the wrong thread” determination is for the Mods to make. Oh, absolutely, but if I crossed any lines or broke any forum rules, I haven’t been told. > [@](#): > > Now for my opinion- I wish they would lock that damn thread or move it to the Pit. There are way too many Pit-like posts and topics invovled. Well, I wish it could stay open so those that respected **Euty** could have the opportunity to say so, but otherwise, I agree. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/52 "2003-07-23T19:27:04Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **CrankyAsAnOldMan** _ > > … I’m sorry there was a problem in the first place, I’m sorry the boards blew up over it, and I’m sorry Eutychus was compelled to take a break from a job he was by all accounts pretty good at. And I’m sorry that I have not said that where it should have been said. If you’d have said this in that thread and what you said in that thread in this thread, I would have given you a hug. 😉 Thanks for saying that. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/53 "2003-07-23T19:53:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah, this is all IMHO, but, again, I just hate to see what was a relatively benign, nice thread paying homage to Euty getting hijacked into the painful discussion that caused him to get fired in the first place! I agree 100%. However, in fairness the thread was well and truly hijacked at that point. I wish those who had wanted to deride the adminstration had started a thread here in the first place rather then starting the hijack. It seemed to me that the earlier hijacking was ok with some until a contrary vision of the events arose. To be fair, you ought to call out those who started the hijack too. To me, they share more of the blame. > [@](#): > > Well, I wish it could stay open so those that respected Euty could have the opportunity to say so, but otherwise, I agree. Admirable thought, but it may be too late for that thread or this one. One idea might be to open a MPSIMS thread explicitly for that purpose. I would be happy to repost again what a fine job as a Mod he did, IMHO as a frequent Cafe Society poster. That way we could have a nice thread. We could put links into both current threads to that well-wishers could get a chance to thank him without getting hit by any errant mud. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/54 "2003-07-23T19:54:54Z")
I didn’t say it to earn hugs, and unfortunately this episode has made me too irritable to be able to accept one graciously. Anyone who cares about Eutychus shares your chagrin that a thread full of well-wishes contained some rehashing of the debate. Perhaps it would be better if someone outside of the administration would have opened such a thread for that express purpose. I don’t think I have to say any more; I know Persephone and Eutychus know my feelings and they have all along. Hopefully there will continue to be good wishes expressed in that thread. ---
**Author:** ![BooksWoods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooksWoods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooksWoods)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/55 "2003-07-23T20:02:42Z")
You are a complete loser, CrankyAsAnOldMan. I’m just kidding there, of course, (and am proud to join your club) but I wanted to try out insults on this board, since I have been the recipient several times but not the provider of such up till now. While I’m at it, WeirdDave is a total mouth-breathing idiot, is he not? I can’t EVEN think of how to respond to his posts. Esprix can’t decide whether it’s a good or bad idea to have a Pit thread on this topic (it’s a bad idea when other people post to it, but a good idea when he does), and seems to think that LiveJournal is a good source of unbiased information. Nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/56 "2003-07-23T20:04:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > > I wish those who had wanted to deride the adminstration had started a thread here in the first place rather then starting the hijack. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. > [@](#): > > To be fair, you ought to call out those who started the hijack too. To me, they share more of the blame. I do agree - **Scotticher** notably was way wicked out of line (and good on **samclem** for calling her on it). However, she posted a pretty sincere pretty quickly, and I had hoped that would be the last of it. Sadly, **dropzone** , those already mentioned, and others decided it wouldn’t be. I was actually trying to hold my tongue in the hopes that, by not referencing those posts, they would stop and we’d get back to the niceties - much like you’re supposed to do with a troll. Unfortnately, **Cartoon** ’s post pushed me over the edge and I responded. ☹ > [@](#): > > One idea might be to open a MPSIMS thread explicitly for that purpose. I would be happy to repost again what a fine job as a Mod he did, IMHO as a frequent Cafe Society poster. That way we could have a nice thread. We could put links into both current threads to that well-wishers could get a chance to thank him without getting hit by any errant mud. What do you think? I think that’s a fine idea. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/57 "2003-07-23T20:07:16Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **BooksWoods** _ > > Esprix can’t decide whether it’s a good or bad idea to have a Pit thread on this topic (it’s a bad idea when other people post to it, but a good idea when he does), and seems to think that LiveJournal is a good source of unbiased information. Nuff said. Go fuck yourself. And while you’re at it, tell us all the details of what you know about the entire situation so we all know from what authority you speak, you loudmouthed jackass. You’re doing a great job of making yourself welcome here. Can’t wait to see what you have to contribute in the future. :rolleyes: Esprix ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/58 "2003-07-23T20:12:49Z")
> [@](#): > > While I’m at it, WeirdDave is a total mouth-breathing idiot, is he not? Well duh! 😉 Kidding Dave, kidding! ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/59 "2003-07-23T20:13:16Z")
Shit, didn’t catch it in preview; I meant, too bad a non-staff person hadn’t opened a thread for the express purpose of telling Eutychus how much his work was appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283/60 "2003-07-23T20:18:14Z")
QUOTE]\*Originally posted by Weirddave \* \*\*Oh, but I believe you delibertly misunderstand me. I don’t particularly care about the incident that started the whole thing, this has nothing to do with Cristi at all. It’s about Dex, flaming a poster in MPSIMS and then starting a half assed pit thread when he had the ability to find out what was happening with little effort on his part. My anger is because of the “administrator” title that Dex holds. You can go on and on about mods and administrators being posters too, but the point is that they are held to a higher standard, as they should be. I was told as much when I had inquired about what the board was looking for in mods ( with the eye to applying to become one myself ). Dex’s “I’m sorry because they are making me say that I am” “apology” was simply one more piece of the puzzle, and the picture that puzzle is revealing is an ugly one. Administrators, while responsible for enforcing the rules for everyone else, are not held to those same set of rules themselves. The railroading of an innocent mod to complete the cover up was simply the icing on the cake. If Ed had simply posted " Dex was wrong ( not because of what he said, but because of how he acted ) and after talking with him, it won’t happen again" and Dex had posted that he was sorry _for the way he acted_ ( again, nothing about the situation in question, he, and everyone else, has the right to feel however they want about it ), it would have long been over. Instead of doing the right thing, the administration opted to weasel and this succession of ongoing threads is the result. \*\* [/QUOTE] I most certainly did not deliberately misunderstand you. I did, however, misunderstand you but only slightly and it still doesn’t change my opinion. **Dex** ’s only wrong on the Board was posting what he did in the MPSIMS thread. He quickly corrected that and moved the discussion to the Pit. Whatever. How is this any different than many of the posts in the **Euty** CS thread? Now there’s some hypocricy. Yeah, he’s an Admin and especially should have know better but if the OP wasn’t a good pal of yours, it wouldn’t have been on your radar screen. Many of y’all are upset because **Dex** is/was a personal friend of yours and should have called those involved first. I’d be upset if I were you too but this is not a SDBM issue. So maybe he’s not a great friend but this has nothing to do with running the Board. I believe that this is the largest issue of all. True? There’s more outrage because people commented without having all of the facts. This part has been discussed to death. All we can use for comment is what we know. If we were held to that standard, we couldn’t talk about any news story, for example. The hypocricy of some of those who were outraged did the same exact thing in the CS thread has been well covered already. Another point made was the characterization that P was “partying.” Personally, I don’t care if she was on a pub crawl, visiting loved ones she hadn’t seen in a long time or building huts for the Peruvian poor. Based on what has been presented, it doesn’t change my opinion of what happened in the least. As **Cranky** implied (I think), this really is all about a guy you thought was your friend wrongly, in your opinion, attacking another friend. It doesn’t seem like **Euty** could put it behind him (bid assumption on my part.) All this talk about “doing the right thing”, “cover ups” and “railroading of the innocent” is just so much blather. Haj [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dantheman-youre-such-a-putz-about-euty-you-too-esprix/190283.md?page=4)