# Daredevil on Netflix viewing thread (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 10, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318 "2015-04-10T12:24:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/101 "2015-04-18T23:27:01Z")
The last few episodes felt rushed, with so many deaths of important characters. I wonder if the writers thought they’d have another season to finish the conflict between DD and Fisk. I’ll bet future seasons will have Daredevil interacting with other Marvel/Netflix characters. I was particularly disappointed that they killed off Wesley. He was much more focused and formidable than Fisk, who always looked like he was on the verge of tears. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/102 "2015-04-18T23:31:49Z")
> [@Sefton](#): > > The last few episodes felt rushed, with so many deaths of important characters. I wonder if the writers thought they’d have another season to finish the conflict between DD and Fisk. I’ll bet future seasons will have Daredevil interacting with other Marvel/Netflix characters. > > I was particularly disappointed that they killed off Wesley. He was much more focused and formidable than Fisk, who always looked like he was on the verge of tears. Yeah, I think we were watching two different series. Nothing rushed about it IMHO. And Fisk was a great villain. Best Marvel villain so far. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/103 "2015-04-18T23:45:55Z")
> [@Sefton](#): > > The last few episodes felt rushed, with so many deaths of important characters. I wonder if the writers thought they’d have another season to finish the conflict between DD and Fisk. I’ll bet future seasons will have Daredevil interacting with other Marvel/Netflix characters. > > I was particularly disappointed that they killed off Wesley. He was much more focused and formidable than Fisk, who always looked like he was on the verge of tears. I liked Fisk’s weirdly sensitive villain. If nothing else, it was different. > [@Robert](#): > > Am I the only one who thought that apart from the reporter and Wilson Fisk that most of the actors were not that interesting? Some scenes with Foggy and Karen, it really feels like they’re just reading off lines. And the Leland guy went a little too over-the-top with the comedic relief in some scenes. But except for a few scenes, it hasn’t been so bad as to be distracting. Fisk was really good, and Murdoch basically wasn’t any better or worse then the long series of actors who’ve played similar brooding, cut, darkhaired heroes. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/104 "2015-04-18T23:49:28Z")
Thinking about it a little more, the show reminds me of Steven DeKnights other recent show, **Spartacus**. The villains are the most interesting and well developed parts, while the hero is serviceable, but fairly generic. Also lots of broken bones. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/105 "2015-04-19T00:25:27Z")
The fact that there are so many viewers who on Fisk’s side and completely missed he was a full of shit sociopath shows how well the character was drawn. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/106 "2015-04-19T01:12:44Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The villains are the most interesting and well developed parts, while the hero is serviceable, but fairly generic. In the vast majority of good superhero stories, the villain usually is more interesting. If the villain isn’t, or the actor isn’t really up to the job, the show suffers. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/107 "2015-04-19T14:31:31Z")
Enjoyed it overall. Didn’t like the mask on the official uniform - I was expecting more of a molded cowl - like the CGI image at the start. Frankly, having that image during the credits is what made the one they used stand out as Off. Like the grittiness in this series - the bleak 70’s lighting and cinematography, etc. But the over-the-topness of the violence stood out, per posts above. Sparks, bodies thrown hard against things, heads slammed hard, etc. If you are going to film and record violence close-up and intimate to show the real grittiness, the fighters’ ability to just spring back can be jarring. All part of comics; I get it. Observation, well known to DD fans: man, this character is SO flippin’ _Catholic_. More than the visuals, use of a priest as a key character, etc. I am NOT seeking to offend or praise Catholics; I am trying to observe that the show appears to want to really tap into the guilt, the sacrifice that martyrs and saints make, the relationship one has to their community - and the drinking (!) that are hallmarks of gritty urban Catholicism storylines. Watching Karen Page upend a bottle and look for more. I have to say: this Gritty is MUCH more preferable to me vs. Nolan Batman grittiness. That comes across as lofty and self-important vs. this which is more tortured and a cultural/family legacy that DD can’t escape - and doesn’t want to. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/108 "2015-04-19T16:03:56Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Enjoyed it overall. Didn’t like the mask on the official uniform - I was expecting more of a molded cowl . I understand that they wanted something more practical. I kinda wish they’d gone for mostly black with just a few flashes of dark red. And the purpose of the helmet is to protect his head in this iteration…but it’s the damn horns. Just don’t work the way they are. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/109 "2015-04-19T16:20:57Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I understand that they wanted something more practical. I kinda wish they’d gone for mostly black with just a few flashes of dark red. And the purpose of the helmet is to protect his head in this iteration…but it’s the damn horns. Just don’t work the way they are. Yea, part of it I think is that his original eye-covering mask thing looked pretty cool. I was hoping they’d just do a more rugged, and red, version of that. (of course, covering your eyes also screams “I’m that blind guy”, which kinda works against the whole concept of a disguise, but hey, rule of cool). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/110 "2015-04-19T17:02:39Z")
Yeah, you can pretend you can see out of cloth but if you put a real mask with no eye openings on you are pretty much giving away a big identifier. Not to mention he wasn’t about to tell the guy who did the costume that he was blind. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/111 "2015-04-19T18:40:19Z")
I haven’t read the thread. I just watched the first episode, which I loved. I want to binge but I’m only going to allow myself one episode a day. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/112 "2015-04-19T20:12:05Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I haven’t read the thread. I just watched the first episode, which I loved. I want to binge but I’m only going to allow myself one episode a day. I watch one a day, though I did watch the first two the first night. They felt like one lon episode. The rest have played fine on their own. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/113 "2015-04-20T00:30:28Z")
They really, really didn’t need to show Foggy with his shirt off. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/114 "2015-04-20T02:54:18Z")
The end to episode 2 is probably my favorite few minutes of TV ever. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/115 "2015-04-20T13:08:28Z")
I have to say, this is perhaps the \*yellowest \*TV show I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/116 "2015-04-20T14:47:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > That 3 minute fight at the end of the second episode was awesome. The hallway fight. I am only two episodes in, so I might regret subscribing to this thread. But I have a question regarding that fight scene: Why don’t any of the bad guys have guns? A dozen or so baddies and not a single one has a gun to shoot Daredevil? ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/117 "2015-04-20T15:19:52Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > I am only two episodes in, so I might regret subscribing to this thread. But I have a question regarding that fight scene: > > Why don’t any of the bad guys have guns? A dozen or so baddies and not a single one has a gun to shoot Daredevil? I recall that at least two of them did; Daredevil disarmed them and used the guns as blunt weapons against them. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/118 "2015-04-20T15:44:50Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > I am only two episodes in, so I might regret subscribing to this thread. But I have a question regarding that fight scene: > > Why don’t any of the bad guys have guns? A dozen or so baddies and not a single one has a gun to shoot Daredevil? Yeah, they tried to shoot Daredevil but he took the guns and then beat the baddies with them. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/119 "2015-04-21T13:22:13Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > I recall that at least two of them did; Daredevil disarmed them and used the guns as blunt weapons against them. > [@RandMcnally](#): > > Yeah, they tried to shoot Daredevil but he took the guns and then beat the baddies with them. I missed that. Obviously. Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318/120 "2015-04-21T13:51:57Z")
I’m wakture up so many references, foreshadowings, and other stuff you missed the first time around you _can_ enjoy a second watching shortly after the first. I really want a second series of this, like, NOW! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-on-netflix-viewing-thread-open-spoilers/717318.md?page=7)