# Daredevil Season 2 - open spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 18, 2016, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383 "2016-03-18T12:16:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/61 "2016-03-23T00:45:19Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Why does that need to be more worked out? The Blacksmith’s crew were former soldiers who were under his command and knew Punisher. What are we missing? I guess it was kind of dropped in our laps at the end and an odd coincidence but there aren’t really any missing pieces. Not missing pieces, but it was all carried over in expository dialogue, so we kept hearing about some things/people we’d never seen. Made it harder to follow and harder to feel like it was important, though I do think you get the gist of it by the end. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/62 "2016-03-23T03:02:20Z")
I was disappointed by the last episodes fight. We saw around 100 ninjas congregating outside that door, Matt said there was too many to even count. Instead we get DD and Elektra beating up about a dozen tops if we are being generous and Frank showing up to pointlessly snipe the last two or three. That should have been an epic doomed fight with the Punisher showing up to make an actual difference instead of just showing off the costume for the inevitable Punisher season fan service. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/63 "2016-03-23T11:12:14Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I agree, the pit and super Elektra/dark sky are left for next season not abandoned story lines. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you can’t introduce a bottomless pit and just leave it there - it’s gotta be Chekhov’s Pit. **Nonsuch** - “I’m Daredevil” - yes, cool. But also a bit obvious, given how DD spoke with Karen when he found her with the gathered-up civilians. It seemed pretty clear she knew exactly who he was, so the sharing of the mask was more just making it official. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/64 "2016-03-24T03:45:26Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I also found it odd. I thought the Punisher, at least on this show, wouldn’t risk killing a bunch of innocents, many of whom have a family like he had. Clearly, he ran a high risk of murdering some innocent person. To be fair, this is the same universe where Daredevil considers himself morally superior because he only uses nonlethal fighting techniques like smashing people on the cranium with a metal bar and throwing people down a concrete staircase headfirst. I finished Season 2 and I generally liked it, even more than Season 1. My least favourite parts of the show are the eye-rollingly omnipotent, omnipresent conspiracies where everyone is being controlled to a ludicrous degree (e.g. the guy who impaled his own head on a spike rather than say who he was working for, “I have to obey them, or they’ll kill my son/mother/girlfriend/etc.!”), and it seemed like they dialed that back a couple of notches from the first season. I also liked that there was overlap between the Punisher and Elektra storylines without having them merge completely. I thought the silliest parts of Season 2 were the conversations where Elektra was trying to sound British and Matthew Murdock was trying not to sound British, with varying degrees of success. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/65 "2016-03-25T19:45:32Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > As for the finale, again, Nobu wasn’t a central enough villain to make the final confrontation with him entirely satisfying. We still don’t know what the Hand was aiming to do and thus what Matt and Elektra were working to stop them from achieving. Stick blathered so much about “the war” to so little effect even Matt was sick of it. And Matt and Elektra’s “let’s run away together” speech … well, on the one hand, it was actually pretty well done. When Matt admits he needs to be Daredevil in order to feel alive, it’s really kind of tragic. But at the same time I thought they might as well have hung a sign on Elektra saying ABOUT TO BE KILLED. Her fate was very obviously telegraphed, and the Hand haven’t been developed enough as villains. Electra herself was ok, but her story got dull toward the end. The Punisher storyline was excellent as were Foggy, Karen and Fisk, so the season was still good overall. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/66 "2016-03-25T20:37:48Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > “I’m Daredevil” - yes, cool. But also a bit obvious, given how DD spoke with Karen when he found her with the gathered-up civilians. It seemed pretty clear she knew exactly who he was, so the sharing of the mask was more just making it official. I dunno, it’s a pretty big leap to think, “This superhero who fights ninjas by the boatload is clearly that blind guy that I know!” ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/67 "2016-03-25T20:59:23Z")
What was up with Melvin (Daredevil’s tailor)? Season one, he came off as rather slow-witted, nearly child-like… But he was very clearly not in this season. My wife and I both found it rather jarring. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/68 "2016-03-25T21:24:30Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > What was up with Melvin (Daredevil’s tailor)? Season one, he came off as rather slow-witted, nearly child-like… But he was very clearly not in this season. My wife and I both found it rather jarring. I got the impression he’s a little not there, but is more withdrawn or timid when he’s afraid of someone. Now that he and DD are buds, he’s more functional. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/69 "2016-03-25T22:44:31Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > What was up with Melvin (Daredevil’s tailor)? Season one, he came off as rather slow-witted, nearly child-like… But he was very clearly not in this season. My wife and I both found it rather jarring. Think “idiot-savant”. He’s not quite that, but while he’s a mechanical/engineering genius as well as a tailor/costumer designer he’s a bit … backward otherwise. Intellectually advanced and emotionally simple. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/70 "2016-03-26T00:58:23Z")
I wonder how far they plan on going with Karen Page. She has a shitload of problems in the comics. I’m not going to go into it for fear of spoiling a possible story arc, but she doesn’t always stay this version of Karen ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/71 "2016-03-26T03:43:02Z")
The MCU doesn’t always follow the comics - Ms. Page may or may not wind up with the problems she had in the printed book form. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/72 "2016-03-26T03:52:51Z")
That was kinda what I meant. I wonder how far they’ll go with that storyline, or if they’ll even feature that arc for her. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/73 "2016-03-26T03:58:06Z")
I thought DD’s armor would protect him from knives and shurikens? And I dont get it. He’s supposed to be a hero now. Almost a super hero. When exactly do the Agents of Shield, the Avengers, or some other “hero” agency contact such a person. Also is there an application process an up and coming hero can go thru to be part of such a group? Obviously DD’s enemies are getting to powerful for him to fight alone. Elektra was barely a help. Why wouldnt he seek some big muscle for aid? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/74 "2016-03-26T03:59:50Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Think “idiot-savant”. He’s not quite that, but while he’s a mechanical/engineering genius as well as a tailor/costumer designer he’s a bit … backward otherwise. Intellectually advanced and emotionally simple. That’s the way he was in the comics as well. At least under Frank Miller. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/75 "2016-03-26T04:01:19Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > My assumption is that the Blacksmith (Colonel Schoonover) did that to (try to) get rid off the Punisher (Frank Castle) after he broke out of prison. > I assume Fisk would not want to take him out until he killed the Blacksmith (which assumes Fisk knew about him, but didn’t tell Frank because he wanted him to kill Dutton to get that information). > > It could be that Fisk somehow let the Blacksmith know Frank would be coming for him, since I don’t think the Blacksmith was trying to kill Frank before his trail - although the alarm system in Frank’s house might have been his and not from Reyes (some men shows up when Karen is in his house, but it leads to nothing I think)? That assumes Reyes ordered the ‘do not resusitate’ on her own to cover for her mistake, and not prompted by the Blacksmith to do that. > > Another reason might be to clean up the witnesses of the carrousel massacre (or though covering up waht really happened there). I wonder if Castle’s family getting killed there was an accident or done on purpose because Frank didn’t join in the Colonels drug trade (or because whatever really happened on that mission). > > The Blacksmith plot could have been better worked out, for example I had no idea who Karen was recognizing in the photo at the Colonels house or why that should alarm her. Afterward you kinda piece it together that it is the guy opening fire on the Blacksmith ship, who Karen saw as a corpse, is one in the squad photo and why he says something like ‘long time since we last met’ to Frank at the ship. I think they’re pushing for a Punisher miniseries and planning on explaining it there. I’d be in for it. I thought Bernthal was fantastic as the Punisher. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/76 "2016-03-26T04:13:11Z")
I admit to being skeptical about Bernthal as Frank Castle, as well. Pleasantly surprised. Absolutely perfect casting. The casting directors for this and _Jessica Jones_ have done outstanding work. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/77 "2016-03-26T12:04:30Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I thought DD’s armor would protect him from knives and shurikens? I didn’t see him getting cut by any knives or shuriken in the show while in costume. Was he? ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/78 "2016-03-26T12:33:21Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > What was up with Melvin (Daredevil’s tailor)? Season one, he came off as rather slow-witted, nearly child-like… But he was very clearly not in this season. My wife and I both found it rather jarring. I thought that was odd, too. Maybe they had a complaint that the character was making fun of the mentally challenged. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/79 "2016-03-26T13:08:33Z")
Are the specs and capabilities of DD’s new billy-clubs/nunchucks understood - i.e. A straight transfer from the comics? I couldn’t quite tell - the cable that extends between them - he can separate them completely, use the as nunchucks with a short cable, and also use it as a grapple and swing line with a longer cable and some sort of mod to the grapply end? What else? He seems to be able to throw them, they carom of surfaces and return to him. But I assume that’s his ability not a property of the clubs. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383/80 "2016-03-26T13:23:57Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I thought DD’s armor would protect him from knives and shurikens? Up to a point. It’s armor, not magic. The _typical_ knife isn’t going to cut it, but some Amazing Super Ninja Knife could. > [@](#): > > And I dont get it. He’s supposed to be a hero now. Almost a super hero. When exactly do the Agents of Shield, the Avengers, or some other “hero” agency contact such a person. That’s sort of a problem with him having a secret identity - he doesn’t have a phone number, address, or e-mail. The only way to get ahold of him is to, say, published something in a paper or a radio/TV ad saying “contact us at…” (and deal with the multitude of crazies that will also answer), or have someone prowl the street of hell’s kitchen at night looking for him. Agents of Shield might be able to connect the dots between DD and Matt Murdock using modern police forensics… but that still requires a bit of luck in getting the pieces of evidence to connect them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daredevil-season-2-open-spoilers/749383.md?page=5)