I guess the prison is supposed to run itself–I’d forgotten that.
No, I said the people behind them. The crazies you’re talking about seem to basically just go where instinct and incentives lead them. If the guys behind them with the big picture and the power to incentivize them arrange for them to be in a situation where a street brawl looks like the thing to do, then a street brawl is the thing that’s going to happen, regardless of the additional presence of heavy weaponry.
Instead of jumping from one ledge to the other, why didn’tBruce just climb towards he second ledge? It had the same hand-holds beneath it as the first.
Despite knowing Talia’s comic-book origins, I was totally fished in by her movie character. Um, I thought she looked gooood.
He could easily be assumed to be one of those who died during Gotham’s “occupation,” especially since he did show up at one of the sentencings run by Dr.Crane, and was seen being taken away.
I have to wonder if you slept through the previous 5 minutes of the movie, which was a lengthy discussion between Bruce and the prison doctor as to exactly why he needed to attempt the climb without using the rope. To summarize, the doctor told him that the reason he kept failing at the jump is precisely because Bruce no longer feared death. He no longer feared death because he wasn’t particularly interested in truly living anymore. THAT IS THE ENTIRE STORY ARC OF BRUCE WAYNE’S CHARACTER IN THIS FILM. The whole reason Alfred leaves is because he is desperately trying to get Bruce to care about living again. And the doctor convinces Bruce that if he doesn’t care about dying, and he’s actively taking the step of using the belaying rope to save his life anyway, then he will never make the leap - just as no one but “the child” has ever made the leap - because the leap cannot be made by anyone who doesn’t desperately want to live.
Knowing that your life is on the line is a powerful motivator… but only if you actually care about your life. It is both literally and figuratively a leap of faith.
I caught that. By that point I was really frustrated with the whole climbing sequence since, with a climber on belay, with anchors, the ledge to ledge maneuver would be relatively trivial for a billionaire super-hero. And, it’s a place where the movie tries to hard to build up a big story arc for the protagonist when it’s not really needed. Batman can overwhelm just about all of his challenges with technology. Why does he abandon technologically advanced modern climbling methods in that particular instance? Why not use the rope, once on the first ledge, to haul up a ramp and use it to cross to the next ledge? The whole semi-stone age challenge made very little sense to me and it took me out of the movie. That obviously didn’t happen for everyone.
A question about Dent’s law; apparently, there’s some legislation that has been set in motion by Dent, either pre- or postmortem. Apparently, this law has cleaned the streets of scum and has done a lot of good.
However, since Dent turned out to be an asshole, his law would be repealed as well? The hell? If a policeman arrested a ton of people by the book, but turned out to be a serial murderer (somehow) by the same logic they’d release everyone he’d ever arrested.
Without question, the worst superhero movie in years. Utterly fucking horrible. After nine hours of Batman not fucking doing anything I couldn’t take it anymore. I walked out after what’s-her-face interrupted a perfectly good fight scene (finally! something happening!) with the flashback that she escaped from the pit.
I just couldn’t take it any more.
Glad I only paid for the matinee. Jesus tapdancing Christ.
After some reflection, my apologies if the above post sounds like threadshitting, which isn’t my intention. I just had such a visceral reaction to the sheer shittiness of this movie that I had to get it off my chest.
I’ll bow out now so the folks who enjoyed it (as much as that amazes me) may discuss it in peace.
I thought Batman Begins was OK, and Dark Knight was awesome. A great second installment makes a failed third that much worse. DNR was even worse than the third Godfather.
This was my one tiny gripe with the movie… but it did add a touch of relief after 2 1/2 hrs of intensity.
I liked this alot more than I thought I would. I didn’t think it would stack up to the 2nd one but I think I liked it better. The 2nd seemed more heady, this seemed more emotional. It felt deeper. I could relate alot to many of the issues brought up in the movie.
Having just seen the film, my prediction is that you’ve used up all your good luck for this month, nay this year. But was it luck or careful deduction? Perhaps you made your own luck. See if you can make some more.
On a personal level, I would have had Albert see a man who at first appeared to be Bruce… but no, it wasn’t him. I can understand how Bruce survived the blast, but the happily-ever-after ending felt wrong. The grin at the end felt cheesy. If everyone cheats death, it has no weight. The storyline of the three films is essentially a long battle between Batman and Ra’s al Ghul, and his heirs, with a kind of unrelated middle act that furthers the plot; it portrays the rise and fall of a gang of supermen who fight themselves to death. At the end the Gods shuffle off the scene, leaving us to keep the peace. Change must come from within, that kind of thing.
In fact Gordon says something along those lines. Change must come from within the city, something like that. The thing about supermen and Gods is that they can never retire, never came back into the family home; their presence perverts and corrupts ordinary life. They’re condemned to walk forever in the wilderness, like John Wayne at the end of The Searchers, until they die.
It felt repetitive. It had an air of Return of the Jedi about it. Not the Ewoks; the recycling. Another chase through an underpass; the whitebread blarney boys of the NYPD massing in the streets; yet another race against time to defuse something; another whack-whack-whack fight scene where people get their arms bent back and then they’re unconscious. I think they made a wise choice to finish at three films, because they’re starting to feel like a construction kit. With a limited selection of parts, bolted together in a slightly different way each time.
The treatment of Anne Hathaway’s character was perfect. I haven’t seen the Halle Berry Catwoman film; I can only imagine how awful it was. The new hero who emerges was similarly brilliant (this was one aspect that trumped The Dark Knight Returns). I kept thinking that a film about Hitler - the definitive film about Hitler - could never be made, because it would have to have a musical montage of Jewish-owned businesses being torched, and it would be presented in a heroic way; and we, the audience, would cheer Hitler on. 'cause there was something seductive about dragging people out of posh hotels and forcing them to walk the metaphorical plank. They don’t realise how offensive they are, the 1%; they never will.
I remember at the time of The Dark Knight there was speculation that a chap called Mister Reece was going to be The Riddler. Thank God they nipped that one in the bud. Perhaps I blinked, or perhaps it’s actually more realistic that way, but I kept hearing gunfire but never seeing a muzzle flash. Terrorists would storm a building, storm a hospital, firing their guns, but no flash.
I’m not the first person to mention it, but most of Bane’s dialogue was argle-bargle YOUR SOUL argle-bargle. This might have been the cinema I was in; most of the prison dialogue was mumble-rumble FEAR mumble-rumble (chanting). Given that it’s a fusion bomb, why not simply smash it to bits? It would spill radioactive waste but it wouldn’t go off.
I’m sure Ra’s al Ghul has a lengthy and storied history in the comics. The problem is that the name sounds like a relic of the Fu Manchu era; it’s painful to watch Michael Caine try to say Ra’s al Ghul with a straight face.
Also, as a British person, my two thoughts were (a) we can’t tell stories, but by gum we can make films, and act in them (b) every cut, every 0.85sec shot of the batbike nipping between some squad cars cost more than the total budget of every British film made last year, and was spent to better effect (c) the camera is always moving, 'cause it’s a movie.
I don’t think you’re threadshitting at all. I assume any discussion of the movie is in the spirit of the OP, not just glowing reviews. I for one just loved the thing and I’d love to hear a contrarion point of view since there don’t seem to be too many out there.
Overall very disappointing. The beginning was a mess- slowly paced and confusing. The action was mediocre, especially compared to the Dark Knight/Begins. Both Joseph Gordon-Levitt (Robin/John Blake) and Marion Cotillard (Miranda Tate) gave atrocious performances (when Miranda Tate died I burst out laughing. It was practically a parody of a death scene - all jerking around and breathing difficult, tortured breaths). Batman’s character ark wasn’t very interesting to me, and Batman actually didn’t appear very much in the movie. I thought they could have done a lot more with both Gotham under Bane’s rule and the pit - both seemed glanced over. Oh, and Bane’s voice was kind of ridiculous. There was also a lot of entirely out of place exposition. I mean, there were in the other two as well, but it was worked into conversations between characters, and had a point. In this movie, not so much. For example, when Miranda sees the reactor for the first time with Fox and Wayne she has a little speech about it, even though everyone in the room knew the information, and there was no reason why she had to give that little speech. It was clearly done for the audience.
All that said, it certainly wasn’t bad. It’s a decent movie, but disappointing compared to the previous ones. I’d kind of like to see a director’s cut, because it feels to me like with some more editing, or better editing, some changes in the pacing, and some more detail it could have been quite good.
So what? If the only reason it was in the film was “it completes the story arc” that’s dumb. For a movie to be good, the completion of the story arc should be logical. If the only reason Nolan put that in was to complete the story arc, it’s just bad writing.
It was enjoyable and watchable but definately not something that makes you want to run out and see it again anytime soon.
The biggest egg the film laid in my opinion was the send off of Bane. We had the entire part I physical fight that ends with a broken back, the comeback and escape, the confrontation part II that slowly builds with tension, all to come to a screeching halt about the backstory of Tate that nobody cares about, and the when all the tension is gone Catwoman shoots him dead. The end.
It would be like watching Rocky III and right at the end before Rocky gets the KO they cut to a scene about Adrian’s childhood and then they come back and Apollo Creed hits Mr.T with a monky wrench.
