# Dating Advice (Wow, this got long. Sorry!) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dating-advice-wow-this-got-long-sorry/475509 "2008-12-03T15:25:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 21
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dating-advice-wow-this-got-long-sorry/475509/21 "2008-12-03T21:22:08Z")
> [@Nikki\_Tikki\_Tavi](#): > > Oh, ick, no! Open the door for her and put your hand lightly on her back or let your fingers touch at the table, no foot rubbing! And arm punching is for buddies or people already in relationships. NOT for the initial wooing stages. Yeah, that does sound better. My point still stands though. > [@](#): > > What is the Keno palm game? This sounds like high school flirting. Well, I totally flubbed that sentence. Rather than gambling, I meant ‘Kino’ which I thought referred to the palm game itself but actually just means light physical touching, according to the in the pickup-artist community. Here’s an excerpt from a newsletter I read: * * * [talking about strategic use of disinterest] "Let’s illustrate this with our next move, the Kino Test: As Mystery is talking to a girl, he will hold out his hands, palms up. He continues talking - the conversational topic itself is unrelated. The understanding is clear on his face that she is supposed to comply and put her hands into his. Does she give him her hands? This is a compliance test. If she puts her hands into his, then she has complied. (This will almost always happen, if delivered right.) Next, as he continues talking about something unrelated, he squeezes her hands a little bit. He is testing to see if she squeezes back. Mystery then pushes her left hand forward and pulls her right hand back, and then he pushes her right hand forward and pulls her left hand back. He reverses again, back and forth a few times as he continues talking to her, just testing to see how eager she is to follow along, or if there is any resistance in her touch. Mystery then slowly lowers his hands as he continues talking. He is testing to see if she will follow. Then he gives her hands a dismissive toss, while their conversation itself continues unabated. If, at any time during the routine he had detected resistance from her, he would have immediately pre-empted her with the dismissive toss of her hands, thus ending the kino test with a physical signal of disinterest. \>\>\> “Wait a sec,” you might ask. “If she resists, then I toss her hands away. That makes sense. But you’re saying that if she complies, I also end the gambit by tossing her hands away? So I am supposed to show disinterest either way?” That’s right! You’re supposed to show disinterest either way! The disinterest is what keeps things comfortable and fun between the two of you, allowing you to keep making more and more moves! Remember, you make a move, and then you push her away again. Do this over and over again; it should be a part of the vibe between the two of you. In fact, this should also be a part of the way you talk to her. This playful sort of escalation is what turns a woman on. It helps her to feel excitement instead of always feeling like you are pushing her for too much." * * * I haven’t tried it, but I think it’s interesting enough to try out. It does sound like high-school flirting, but I think thats part of the point. It’s supposed to be playful, light, and innocent. I dunno; I am far from a representative of the PUA community. **tdn** or **JoeSki** would be able to answer any questions better than me. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dating-advice-wow-this-got-long-sorry/475509)._