# David Hyde Pierce ends self-delusion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 1, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340 "2007-06-01T14:32:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/121 "2007-06-09T19:35:13Z")
[QUOTE=Cartooniverse] No kidding? Well. In that case, there’s something I need to share with all of you. I don’t watch football, I have a belly but it is not from beer, I don’t own that kind of undergarment and I don’t consider consensual sex amongst myself and a small cadre of willing females to be " being serviced ". I guess I 'm gay. When do I get my laminate and account number? 😃 [/QUOTE] I \*have \* a beer belly and wear wifebeaters (though not dirty), so I guess that means I’m not gay. **Cartooni** , I’ll send you my laminate and transfer my account number to you. 😃 Re: Rupert Everett. Says [here](http://www.gayteens.org/714/Article934.html), though he has played significant straight roles, he has a problem with pigeonholing, i.e., not getting overtly straight/romantic lead roles because he’s out. Partial Quote: “I realised that it was a nail in the coffin. How would I get out of it before I bored people to death playing gay best friends?” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/122 "2007-06-09T20:06:09Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] IRe: Rupert Everett. Says [here](http://www.gayteens.org/714/Article934.html), though he has played significant straight roles, he has a problem with pigeonholing, i.e., not getting overtly straight/romantic lead roles because he’s out. [/QUOTE] From the same article: > [@](#): > > Around the same time, he was up for another film in a straight role; the agents for another actor considered for the part gave the casting director a warning. If they chose Everett, they couldn’t use the image on the book jacket for promotion, because it featured a boy between the legs of a man, commercial death if the star were a known homosexual. (Everett will not name the parties involved for legal reasons, but this was almost certainly the film of Nick Hornby’s book About a Boy, whose lead role went to Hugh Grant, the actor with whom, ironically, Everett is often confused by Americans.) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/123 "2007-06-09T20:15:28Z")
OK, I’ll grant you that Rupert Everett may be losing out on parts because of his gayness, but may I ask you a question: Say Tobey Maguire came out shortly after Spider-Man 2 set all kinds of ridiculos box office records and a production work had begun on the third. Would the prodcuers have replaced him or does “known star” trump it? Personally, I think if a big enough star came out as gay tomorrow it wouldn’t change a thing. They’d still get plenty of big parts (romantic or otherwise) and would probably be at the center of a pretty decent SDMB thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/124 "2007-06-09T20:25:47Z")
I doubt we’ll learn anytime soon. Generally speaking, when an actor comes out it’s usually when they’re less _Titanic 1997_ and more _Loveboat 1982_ caliber, unless it’s like Chad Allen who was forcibly outed by tabloids (and says it definitely hurt his career). ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/125 "2007-06-09T20:28:11Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] . . . I guess I can’t. But I’m still completely confounded that this becomes some kind of yardstick by which actors are measured. But if you want to use “suspected gay people” some more, **Jodie Foster and Kevin Spacey have gotten work as romantic leads long after the rumors became accepted fact in many people’s eyes**. [/QUOTE] You do know this is not the same as _the actors themselves, coming out and saying they’re gay_? [QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] OK, I’ll grant you that Rupert Everett may be losing out on parts because of his gayness, but may I ask you a question: Say Tobey Maguire came out shortly after Spider-Man 2 set all kinds of ridiculos box office records and a production work had begun on the third. Would the prodcuers have replaced him or does “known star” trump it? **Personally, I think if a big enough star came out as gay tomorrow it wouldn’t change a thing. They’d still get plenty of big parts (romantic or otherwise) and would probably be at the center of a pretty decent SDMB thread**. [/QUOTE] Then, why don’t they? There has to be _some_. And I believe something would be done to mitigate Toby Maguire’s (or whoever’s) coming out, either by replacing him or attempting to do some serious spinning (no pun intended) or damage control. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/126 "2007-06-09T20:36:24Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] I \*have \* a beer belly and wear wifebeaters (though not dirty), so I guess that means I’m not gay. **Cartooni** , I’ll send you my laminate and transfer my account number to you. 😃 [/QUOTE] I’m speechless. With gratitude, of course !!! ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/127 "2007-06-10T00:09:35Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] But if you want to use “suspected gay people” some more, Jodie Foster and Kevin Spacey have gotten work as romantic leads long after the rumors became accepted fact in many people’s eyes. [/QUOTE] I think that Jodie Foster’s last real “romantic” lead was _Contact_ in 1997. 10 years ago. I suppose you could count _Anna & The King_ in 1999 as well, so 8 years. Since then, she’s played a bunch of single women, single moms and a nun… ETA- Suspected?!? From her IMDB page- > [@](#): > > Has been in a serious relationship with Cydney Bernard since they met in 1993 on the set of the movie Sommersby (1993). ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/128 "2007-06-11T12:57:33Z")
I don’t know if that’s because of Jodie’s uncofirmed lesbianism, or that old Hollywood bugaboo–a woman’s age. She’s getting “too old” to be a romantic lead. And beaucoup congrats to David Hyde Pierce for his Tony win last night!!! ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/129 "2007-06-11T17:06:56Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Yeah right. What are you going to tell me next-that Tom Cruise is crazy? [/QUOTE] If you had Tom Cruise’s troubles, [you might be Tom Cruise Crazy, too](http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Tom%20Cruise%20Crazy). ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340/130 "2007-06-11T17:31:29Z")
To be fair, Jodie Foster hasn’t had a romantic lead role since Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane, or maybe Foxes. And I think every out celebrity who’s doing not so good will say the coming out has something to do with it- Chad Allen wasn’t setting the world on fire before he was outed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david-hyde-pierce-ends-self-delusion/406340.md?page=6)