# David42 stay away from my sisters/cousins/neices **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464 "2012-06-08T03:16:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/1 "2012-06-08T03:16:06Z")
> [@1st Circuit Court of Appeals: Defense of Marriage Act is Unconstitutional](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1st-circuit-court-of-appeals-defense-of-marriage-act-is-unconstitutional/623653/440): > > So you do not belief in the right to exclusive intercourse with your spouse? Or just the criminal end of it? I definitely see it as a crime along the lines of trespass. A person’s right to sleep with who one chooses is bargained away in exchange for the right being given up by the partner. Really marriage is becoming nothing more than getting some federal goodies. Thed onlya dultery I wouldn’t prosecute is when a married person deceives a single person, I’d not prosecute the single one. > > There was another recent case in Arizona. There weren’t any for many many years. One of my former bosses said he’d been watching the matter for 30 years and hadn’t found a single instance in 20, and this was in the mid 90’s. I’ve been watching closely too, remembering what he said. > > It might mean that prosecutors are starting to battle a declining marriage rate with force, and I’m glad. > > I would not only bring back heartbalms, I would eliminate no-fault divorce, prosecute adultery, end the nonsensical part of domestic violence prosecutions and find ways to encourage large families. I would modify child support laws and practices; I cannot believe a cause of action exists that if you plead there has been no adequate support for the child it doesn’t have to be true; the courts just want to make sure. if you actually were taking care of your kid, they’ll say it was a gift, (as though you could pay through the courts before there is a case, maybe you’re supposed to sue yourself?) and make you pay it again. Here is a cause of action in which it is impossible to do right. A cause of action that can almost automatically result in a judgment for the exercise of a fundamental right, even if you do every last blasted thing the government says it wants parents to do. neither of the attorneys I worked for ever told me to brief the Ks Supreme Court on this, I sure wanted to. > > One last thing I’d do is, in any marriage where they agree from the outset on a religion and be governed by it, I would require the district courts to obey the ecclesiastical rules. Many people see marriage as a religious matter, and I believe the government establishes “no religion” to govern any dissolution. if the married couple feel religion is important to their marriage, no court should be able to strip them of those religious principles. > > I’m against “covenant” amrriages, but appreciate the sentiment behind them. it just creates two classes of unions again and undoubtedly we’d be going through this same crap again with “second-class” marriages. > > Not really related, but dealing with sex issues–as long as I’m on the soapbox–I find it ludicrous that it is legal in some jurisdictions to have sex with a teenager as young as fourteen, sixteen in the majority of states, BUT taking a picture is a crime if she’s a day younger than eighteen. Really are you that ignorant that you think forcing people to have large families in abusive homes will improve marriage? That allowing to people of the same gender will make the institution of marriage fail but codifying “ecclesiastical rules” and re-criminalizing adultery will make things better? You are free to have your ideas but stay away from any female I know!!! And…seriously you are pissed that fourteen year old girls can get married (which i’m not a fan of) but the reason your are mad is because you can’t make porn with them until they are 18!!! Gross…I hope to hell you don’t have any jobs anywhere near children!!! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/2 "2012-06-08T03:40:29Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > . . . And…seriously you are pissed that fourteen year old girls can get married (which i’m not a fan of) but the reason your are mad is because you can’t make porn with them until they are 18!!! . . . I disagree with him, and think he’s wrong, and, frankly, yeah, he’s a little scary too… But I think his only point was that there is a weird dissonance in a system of laws where I can have sex with a 14 year old…but can’t take nude pictures of him/her. ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/3 "2012-06-08T03:41:44Z")
I’m curious as to what he thinks is the ‘nonsensical part’ of domestic violence prosecutions. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/4 "2012-06-08T03:55:46Z")
David42 doesn’t worry me It’s the people HE thinks are excessively conservative that might worry me a bit. Them some scary folk. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/5 "2012-06-08T04:08:39Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I disagree with him, and think he’s wrong, and, frankly, yeah, he’s a little scary too… > > But I think his only point was that there is a weird dissonance in a system of laws where I can have sex with a 14 year old…but can’t take nude pictures of him/her. Maybe but he could have said (It is wrong that non-adult girls as young as 14 can get married), Still the first part of the post is repugnant enough for a pitting, criminalizing a breakup during engagement, forcing people to stay in bad marriages etc.. You and your wife are free to inflect what ever crazy contract you want to do. But the rant about limiting divorce while weakening domestic violence laws is not something to force on others. People are not chattel, yes infidelity sucks but as a previous victim of domestic violence I have to say that forcing someone to stay in those relationships is pure evil. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/6 "2012-06-08T04:12:29Z")
Link? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/7 "2012-06-08T04:21:43Z")
[Link](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MptTnknUL._SL500_AA300_.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/8 "2012-06-08T04:22:04Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > Link? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15145056&postcount=440](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15145056&postcount=440) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/9 "2012-06-08T04:37:17Z")
You can also click on the link by **David42** ’s name. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/10 "2012-06-08T05:11:51Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Really are you that ignorant that you think forcing people to have large families in abusive homes will improve marriage? > > That allowing to people of the same gender will make the institution of marriage fail but codifying “ecclesiastical rules” and re-criminalizing adultery will make things better? > > You are free to have your ideas but stay away from any female I know!!! > > And…seriously you are pissed that fourteen year old girls can get married (which i’m not a fan of) but the reason your are mad is because you can’t make porn with them until they are 18!!! > > Gross…I hope to hell you don’t have any jobs anywhere near children!!! I’m sure he already has a nice women made out of straw. He seems to have a thing for creating little straw men ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/11 "2012-06-08T05:15:54Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Maybe but he could have said (It is wrong that non-adult girls as young as 14 can get married), > > Still the first part of the post is repugnant enough for a pitting, criminalizing a breakup during engagement, forcing people to stay in bad marriages etc.. > > You and your wife are free to inflect what ever crazy contract you want to do. But the rant about limiting divorce while weakening domestic violence laws is not something to force on others. > > People are not chattel, yes infidelity sucks but as a previous victim of domestic violence I have to say that forcing someone to stay in those relationships is pure evil. You’re a fucking moron. You were never forced to stay in a marriage because of any bullshit domestic violence. You fucking lie all through the threads that others are trying to take seriously, impairing, rather than promoting the free exchange of ideas. You’re afucking moron who can’t fucking read caselaw for shit, every post you make shifts the goalpost and you have to rely on onstrawmen left and right, like claiming I have a child bride because I point out that having sex is a more serious issue than a picture! Your parents must be fucking ashamed of your ass! And I notice you have other ultralib morons here with you, all to fucking pat each other on the back because you are oh so much wiser. And why the fuck would you deny religious people the right to govern their marriages under ecclesiastical law? Typical of your strawmen you insert ancient into that when you should know there is modern ecclesiastical law. What the fuck you think this is something to do with your family members is typical of your 65 point IQ you fucking retard. Typical strawmen: Forcing people to stay in marriages. What you promote is irresponsible divorces for reasons as frivolous as changing the curtains. You’re a fucking enemy of good solid decent families and nothing less. And I’d hate to see your ass after you pull something like “criminalizing breakups during an engagement” out of it, not that anyone would want to see it anyway. I never said anything even remotely similar! It’s pretty clear how you have child molesting on your mind the way you impute it to others. Any psychologist would write volumes about how fucking sick you are! You’re fucking lucky you are anonymous or you’d fucking get a libel/slander suit from me motherfucker! Don’t bother with all your posts against me, somehow I knew you’d fucking come here for your personal attacks. If you knew shit about domestic law and the parade of fucking kids that you do not give a flying fuck about, (you’re way more fucking concerned with every impulse of someone’s loins, that’s you’re only wicked rule) you might think better, but you don’t see it from turning a blind eye to it. You fucking suck balls. Find someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/12 "2012-06-08T05:26:25Z")
Y’know, now that I’m free to insult David directly for all his mock-intellectualism and misplaced attempts at condescension… it just seems pathetically unnecessary, now. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/13 "2012-06-08T05:51:50Z")
[Moderating] **David42** , as noted in the ATMB thread, there are [certain phrases](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858) that are not allowed to be used against other posters. You seemed to have hit nearly all of them. Please don’t do this again. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/14 "2012-06-08T06:09:56Z")
> [@David42](#): > > What the fuck you think this is something to do with your family members is typical of your 65 point IQ you fucking retard. This was my favourite bit. Is this irony? I never can tell these days. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/15 "2012-06-08T06:22:45Z")
> [@David42](#): > > \And why the fuck would you deny religious people the right to govern their marriages under **ecclesiastical law**? Typical of your strawmen you insert ancient into that when you should know there is modern ecclesiastical law. > \ I notice you only say ecclesiastical law, what about Sharia law? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/16 "2012-06-08T06:24:56Z")
I, for one, welcome our new Davidian overlords! /snarkhat I do think there are far too many divorces, but it’s because people rush into marriage. In any case, I fail to see what makes this a problem in need of government regulation to solve. While I think it’d be less reprehensible to curb the problem from the supply side (make marriages harder to enter into) than the back end (preventing divorces), both those solutions are categorically _worse_ than the problem they solve. Although we’ve been getting this whole civilization thing figured out over time, that doesn’t mean humanity is any less impulsive or stupid when it comes to matters of the heart. Advocating anything other than the absolute freedom to marry and divorce at will is punishing humans for being human. If you disagree, I hate you. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/17 "2012-06-08T06:33:32Z")
> [@thirdwarning](#): > > I’m curious as to what he thinks is the ‘nonsensical part’ of domestic violence prosecutions. Yes, please clarify this David. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/18 "2012-06-08T07:35:25Z")
I do need to do a partial self pit here. > [@](#): > > Gross…I hope to hell you don’t have any jobs anywhere near children!!! This was meant as a disapproval of your ideas being influential on children, not a claim you are a child molester but was confusing next to the age of consent vs age of majority bit. Now this next part is not a rebuke, it is not accusatory, it is a but a plea. As one human to another. I am not worth it, don’t risk your health on a debate. Don’t get me wrong, toss the insults, heck I pitted you but please don’t get that enraged on my behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/19 "2012-06-08T07:45:56Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > As one human to another. Can you _prove_ your human? :dubious: Any pictures of you driving a fire truck? (Half a magic cookie for getting the reference. Only half because I assume it’s a widespread thing, and because they’re so tasty I can’t help but eat them. Quick–you’re down to a quarter cookie!) ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/20 "2012-06-08T07:52:28Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Can you _prove_ your human? :dubious: Prove his human what? Wait, is **rat avatar** a slave master!? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464.md?page=2)