# David42 stay away from my sisters/cousins/neices **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464 "2012-06-08T03:16:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/81 "2012-06-10T03:13:43Z")
> [@David42](#): > > I refer more to ideas like grounds for divorce. If two people knowingly and intelligently choose to govern themselves by Jesus’ views on divorce, why should you care, unless your motivation is to eliminate religion in marriage. It’s their choice and does not affect you. 😕 It would also not affect anyone else who doesn’t choose to govern themselves by those views on divorce. And one would expect that the “two people” in your hypothetical above would not be affected by the existence of permissive divorce laws. Unless…are you suggesting that if one of those two people should change his or her mind about staying married, the other person should be able to override the new decision, based on the religious views they asserted at the time of the wedding? ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/82 "2012-06-10T04:08:34Z")
What if one of the partners converts to a new religion, then? ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/83 "2012-06-10T09:47:27Z")
I don’t know what it is with all these men around posting religious crapola both here and in the local newspaper. I thank my Goddess for men like you who let their ignorance show with everything you write, because it only shows your own weakness, to rely on such antiquated goat shit to prove your points. You whine that women don’t want to marry, but not many women wants to be with someone who’s going to treat them badly, because some shit-for-brains shepherd had a random brain fart, that managed to make it into a fairytale disguised as a religious text. Dave is within his rights to post bullshit here but the rest of us have the right to call him a weak-sauce shitheaded fool. I will continue to advocate for secularism over religion for the rest of my life, because most religions ARE in the way of equal rights for a large chunk of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/84 "2012-06-10T16:36:00Z")
> [@SnakesCatLady](#): > > Whoever said my mother joked about being bred to feed someone else? She may have said that to you, I suppose, but she never said it to me. It was just how things were; if you lived on a farm you worked. I’m reasonably sure my grandmother never thought “Billy needs more help in the fields; I guess I’ll get pregnant again”. I had several friends who lived (and worked) on farms when I was growing up, and their parents busted their asses to make sure they didn’t “earn their keep.” That is, they made sure that the amount of resources they put in to raising their children far exceeded the value of the children’s labor. Perhaps that’s selection bias, and the kids whose labor produced a net gain for their families didn’t have friends, or friends like me. > [@Silophant](#): > > That’s true. You said “150 years ago”. Since this is 2012, that would have been 1862, which was in the middle of the Civil War (1861-1865), which would be the Civil War era." I never said “the era of big families ended…” at all. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/85 "2012-06-10T16:43:41Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/86 "2012-06-10T16:54:29Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > That’s true. You said “150 years ago”. Since this is 2012, that would have been 1862, which was in the middle of the Civil War (1861-1865), which would be the Civil War era." > > But this thread is about how **David42** is a creepy dumbass, not you. Why can’t it be both? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/87 "2012-06-10T16:55:58Z")
Thats right! I hate it when folks around here partake of the “excluded asshole” fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/88 "2012-06-10T17:17:44Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Exactly. My dad is one of 8, born a sharecropper in 1931. They absolutely did need all hands (although I suppose they didn’t specifically breed for labor, but there was no pressure NOT to have kids because the hands did come in handy.) I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I note that the post by SnakesCatLady that started this tangent off said, “In my mother’s generation, people had large families because they had land to work.” which sounds to me like breeding specifically for labor. I don’t think I can fault saoirse for thinking that SCL meant what she wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Batfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Batfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batfish)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/89 "2012-06-10T17:49:06Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Oh it certainly is true. My Granmother who recently died at the age of 86 had nine siblings. They grew up in a small town in Oklahoma on a farm and she told me that was the exact reason why she has so many siblings because her parents could not afford to pay for farm helpers. No, the _exact_ reason is Great-Grammy and Grampy liked to fuck and there was no birth control. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/90 "2012-06-10T18:15:15Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I note that the post by SnakesCatLady that started this tangent off said, “In my mother’s generation, people had large families because they had land to work.” which sounds to me like breeding specifically for labor. I don’t think I can fault saoirse for thinking that SCL meant what she wrote. I see I need to apologize for not being more specific. I made the mistake of thinking a fairly intelligent group of people would automatically apply all knowledge they possessed to a given situation. I thought everyone would know of the absence of reliable birth control in the era I was referring to. It was not breeding specifically for labor. It was more along the lines of not making an attempt to limit the number of children because they were not a drain on the family resourses; at least not as much as they would be in a family which did not grow the majority of their own food. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/91 "2012-06-10T19:57:45Z")
> [@SnakesCatLady](#): > > I see I need to apologize for not being more specific. I made the mistake of thinking a fairly intelligent group of people would automatically apply all knowledge they possessed to a given situation. I thought everyone would know of the absence of reliable birth control in the era I was referring to. > > It was not breeding specifically for labor. It was more along the lines of not making an attempt to limit the number of children because they were not a drain on the family resourses; at least not as much as they would be in a family which did not grow the majority of their own food. I get it now I did think you were referring to Mao’s “with every mouth comes two hands” philosophy quoted above (which was quickly replaced by the “we really need to reduce the number of mouths and hands by any means necessary” philosophy). People really did do that as late as the early nineteenth century in America, and elsewhere, before the advent of “kindervulture” or “the cult of childhood” during the Victorian Era. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/92 "2012-06-10T20:09:01Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I get it now I did think you were referring to Mao’s “with every mouth comes two hands” philosophy quoted above (which was quickly replaced by the “we really need to reduce the number of mouths and hands by any means necessary” philosophy). People really did do that as late as the early nineteenth century in America, and elsewhere, before the advent of “kindervulture” or “the cult of childhood” during the Victorian Era. That should be “kinderculture.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/93 "2012-06-10T21:46:39Z")
But if you don’t work on the farm, the kindervulture _will_ get you. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/94 "2012-06-10T22:30:22Z")
Everyone knows the kindervulture is out there, waiting, planning, sunset reflected in unblinking eyes… ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/95 "2012-06-11T01:00:41Z")
Commonsense conservative values for the 21st century. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/96 "2012-06-11T02:18:35Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Commonsense conservative values for the 21st century. And another asshole steps into the fray… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/97 "2012-06-11T02:22:20Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Commonsense conservative values for the 21st century. Out of curiosity, can you put in bullet form which values you are referring to? ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/98 "2012-06-11T02:27:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Out of curiosity, can you put in bullet form which values you are referring to? I was just referring to the excellent ideas in that quote of David42’s in the first post in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/99 "2012-06-11T02:53:09Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > I was just referring to the excellent ideas in that quote of David42’s in the first post in this thread. Can you be specific? “I would eliminate no-fault divorce” is certainly not an excellent idea, for example. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464/100 "2012-06-11T03:15:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can you be specific? “I would eliminate no-fault divorce” is certainly not an excellent idea, for example. Well, you liberals have all sorts of crazy ideas, so I won’t argue that point with you. But I’m sure it’s uncontroversial that we need to weaken protections against domestic violence, obligate our courts to enforce religious law, and lower the age to consent to perform in pornography to 14. It’s just basic common sense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/david42-stay-away-from-my-sisters-cousins-neices/624464.md?page=6)