# Daylight saving time - again. Let's go to back to "God's time" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 11, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707 "2021-03-11T12:12:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/162 "2022-03-16T11:16:17Z")
You can (individually) ask your boss to let you arrive an hour earlier or later for work, given the change in DST, and most workplaces would be reasonable about shifting you to a 9-5 or 8-4 or 10-6 shift–possibly workplaces would even shift everyone to a different shift under the new system, twice per year. Most people’s workplaces can cope with a planned number of employees needing to adjust their working hours to accommodate parents, or would never have a problem with parents’ needing to adjust their hours. Or maybe what would happen is that parents would need to hire babysitters to work early hours instead of hours in the late afternoons to care for their kids. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/163 "2022-03-16T12:57:46Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > And one specific one at the time DST was first introduced, which was during WWI. Farmers who had dairy herds needed to get the milk to the rail station in time to catch the train to the dairy. Suddenly the train is running an hour earlier but the cows want to be milked at the same time as the day before. I spent a summer once on a Canadian farm where the family refused to use daylight savings time because it upset the cows. They were not selling the milk so they didn’t have to coordinate with the milk guy. I loathe the time change, because it takes me several weeks to adjust and it just feels like someone arbitrarily tipped my world to the side. There’s no advantage, in my particular life, to changing the time, only disadvantage. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/164 "2022-03-16T13:16:42Z")
> [@Roger\_That](#): > > You can (individually) ask your boss to let you arrive an hour earlier or later for work, given the change in DST, and most workplaces would be reasonable about shifting you to a 9-5 or 8-4 or 10-6 shift–possibly workplaces would even shift everyone to a different shift under the new system, twice per year. Most people’s workplaces can cope with a planned number of employees needing to adjust their working hours to accommodate parents, or would never have a problem with parents’ needing to adjust their hours. - That’s _adorable!_ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/165 "2022-03-16T13:18:25Z")
I don’t really care which they go with, but I do wish it would stay the same. On my drive to work, there are two extremely annoying sun moments, one with the sun right in my eyes behind the stoplight, and another with the sun shining in all my mirrors as I am merging onto the highway. It’s about 2 weeks in the spring and fall that the sun lines up this way, and then pretty much as soon as it’s no longer the case, daylight savings changes, and I get another 2 weeks of the sun being placed in inconvenient locations. It also confuses my dogs. They don’t read clocks, so are even more thrown off by the time change, giving me dirty looks as I try to get them up and going an hour early, or getting impatient with me as they get up on time, and I sleep an hour later. I do think I prefer permanent DST to not, but I can go either way. ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/166 "2022-03-16T13:28:04Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s _adorable!_ Which part do you particularly adore? ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/167 "2022-03-16T14:17:29Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > As someone who spent the first 21 years of my life _not_ switching the clocks (Saskatchewan), I truly don’t understand what benefit people think they’re getting from the switches. You don’t gain anything at one end that you don’t lose at the other, either in the year or in the day. I keep hoping that Alberta will stop switching - fingers crossed! Once upon a time, it was thought to save power. That turns out to be almost totally untrue. The amount of power it saves, if any, is trivial. At this point, they switch because they’ve “always” switched and most people resist any change, even if the change is not to change. Although many of my clocks change automatically, I still had to change 7 clocks and my pocket watch. That last is especially irksome as it has many functions and they have designed it so that changing it is really a nuisance. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/168 "2022-03-16T14:22:29Z")
Don’t forget the time change allows fire departments an opportunity to remind folks to change their smoke detector batteries. (maybe they could switch to the equinoxes) Brian ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/169 "2022-03-16T17:35:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > On my drive to work, there are two extremely annoying sun moments, one with the sun right in my eyes behind the stoplight, and another with the sun shining in all my mirrors as I am merging onto the highway. The valley floor being flat here in Phoenix metro, the main streets are laid out following the township and range lines of the [PLSS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Land_Survey_System) which means they are due east-west (and north-south). My brother grumbled how he could tell the equinoxes because for about two weeks the sun was straight in his eyes to and from work. I’ve always lived east of work so I never noticed. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/170 "2022-03-16T19:11:41Z")
Near me the latest sunrise is 0738, the earliest sunset is 1627. (both are standard time) I’d rather deal with a 4:27 sunset than a 8:38 sunrise, nut I am more of a morning person. Brian ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/171 "2022-03-16T19:45:02Z")
FYI, this law wouldn’t take effect until next year so we’d get one more fall back and the last spring forward in 2023. ---
**Author:** ![Honolulu\_Lulu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/87869e/32.png) [@Honolulu\_Lulu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honolulu_Lulu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/172 "2022-03-16T23:02:06Z")
Here are several reasons why year 'round DST is not the panacea you think it is. 1. Those that do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. I should know. I flunked it twice. Congress tried permanent DST 1974. Year ‘round DST was repealed by the end of the year because of reason #2. 2. At first glance, it appears that the kiddies will have more after-school daylight; the reverse is what will actually happen. No one wants the kiddies walking to school in the dead of night, so school start times will gradually migrate to one hour later. School that used to end at 2:15 will soon end at 3:15. So the January after-school daylight will be the same as it is today. Where I live, sunset in mid-October takes place at 5:52pm DST. That won’t change. Instead of having 3 1/2 hours of sunlight after school, the kiddies will only have 2 1/2 hours. The loss of after school light will be in effect from March thru October. 3. No matter how hard Congress tries, they can’t repeal the law of supply and demand. In the long run, the sun determines our activity. If the kiddies go to school one hour later, other aspects of society will do so as well. Pretty soon, we’ll be right back to where we are now 4. For those that want more daylight after work, just get up an hour earlier from November to March. Why force your whims on the rest of us. 5. Going from the sublime to the ridiculous: why advance just one hour? Why not make it two? Better yet, put the whole country on UTC. The whole country would be the land of the midnight sun in June. China is as wide as four time zones and they all set their clocks the same. 6. Here are some January DST sunrise times in various cities. Where to you live? 08:46 Buffalo; 09:01 Detroit; 09:05 Indianapolis; 09:12 Grand Rapids, MI; 09:32 Marquette MI 08:18 Chicago; 08:49 Omaha, NE 08:51 Minneapolis, MN; 09:12 Fargo, ND; 0 09:35 Minot, ND 09:44 Williston, ND; 08:45 Salt Lake City; 09:18 Boise, ID 09:27 Kalispell, MT; 08:57 Seattle ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/173 "2022-03-17T02:48:19Z")
> [@Honolulu\_Lulu](#): > > Here are several reasons why year 'round DST is not the panacea you think it is. You seem to be entirely missing the point, which is that we stop having to change the clocks twice a year. If school or work start times have to shift, big deal. It’s the counterproductive shift that’s the issue. Given your username, perhaps you’re unaware of the annoyance that DST causes the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/174 "2022-03-17T12:23:00Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > If school or work start times have to shift, big deal. It’s the counterproductive shift that’s the issue. How is that less counterproductive? It’s still a shift. Or are you thinking businesses and schools change their hours year round? ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/175 "2022-03-17T12:37:31Z")
Businesses and schools have hours that are completely arbitrary. If your boss tells you “You have to show up and leave work an hour earlier from now on,” what are you gonna do? Quit? Yeah, right, You’ll suck it up. Well, that’s exactly what ALL of society is being dictated to by this stupid changing of the clocks. And all of us idiots have been sucking it up for decades. Now we’re quitting. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/176 "2022-03-17T12:51:40Z")
Again. We’ll see if it sticks this time. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/177 "2022-03-17T13:14:10Z")
> [@Roger\_That](#): > > You can (individually) ask your boss to let you arrive an hour earlier or later for work, given the change in DST, and most workplaces would be reasonable about shifting you to a 9-5 or 8-4 or 10-6 shift–possibly workplaces would even shift everyone to a different shift under the new system, twice per year. Most people’s workplaces can cope with a planned number of employees needing to adjust their working hours to accommodate parents, or would never have a problem with parents’ needing to adjust their hours. Or maybe what would happen is that parents would need to hire babysitters to work early hours instead of hours in the late afternoons to care for their kids. You must live in a far more progressive country than mine (the US). Also, re: the constant babysitters, how much money do you think grows on the trees of parents (they usually aren’t hiring babysitters for the late afternoons currently after all)? Ideally daycares and schools will shift their hours and workplaces shift their expected hours as a result (of course that would take away the extra hour in the evening benefit) ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/178 "2022-03-17T13:17:53Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > > [@Honolulu\_Lulu](#): > > > > Here are several reasons why year 'round DST is not the panacea you think it is. > > You seem to be entirely missing the point, which is that we stop having to change the clocks twice a year. If school or work start times have to shift, big deal. It’s the counterproductive shift that’s the issue. > > Given your username, perhaps you’re unaware of the annoyance that DST causes the rest of us. The poster said nothing against permanent standard time, however, so I assume that’s what they are advocating for. That would also prevent the time shifting. ---
**Author:** ![Honolulu\_Lulu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/87869e/32.png) [@Honolulu\_Lulu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honolulu_Lulu)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/179 "2022-03-17T14:01:25Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > You seem to be entirely missing the point, which is that we stop having to change the clocks twice a year. If school or work start times have to shift, big deal. It’s the counterproductive shift that’s the issue. > > Given your username, perhaps you’re unaware of the annoyance that DST causes the rest of us. Honolulu Lulu was a song by Jan & Dean back in 1963. My father-in-law called me that when I returned from a Hawaiian vacation with a tan. My name ain’t even Lulu. Where I live, the time of sunrise & sunset shift three hours during course of a year. With year ‘round DST, January sunrise would be at 8:30 (too late). With year ‘round standard time, June sunrise would be at 4:30 (too early). By switching clocks, there is only a two hour change of sunrise. Hawaii only has a 90 minute shift of sunrise & sunset, so changing clocks is not that beneficial to them. I keep a list of eleven clocks/watches that have to be changed. Computer & cell phones do it for you. Normally, it would take me about twenty minutes, but I also adjust clocks that have drifted during the six month period. To me, it’s worth it. YMMV. However, if I had to choose, I’d pick year ’round standard time over DST. Personally, I think the US should copy Europe: Last Sunday in March to last Sunday in October. Again, YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/180 "2022-03-17T15:29:09Z")
> [@Honolulu\_Lulu](#): > > 08:46 Buffalo; 09:01 Detroit; 09:05 Indianapolis; > 09:12 Grand Rapids, MI; 09:32 Marquette MI 08:18 Chicago; > 08:49 Omaha, NE 08:51 Minneapolis, MN; 09:12 Fargo, ND; 0 > 09:35 Minot, ND 09:44 Williston, ND; 08:45 Salt Lake City; > 09:18 Boise, ID 09:27 Kalispell, MT; 08:57 Seattle For most of these areas, they are still waking up and driving to work in the dark with standard time. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707/181 "2022-03-17T15:36:15Z")
> [@Honolulu\_Lulu](#): > > Personally, I think the US should copy Europe: Last Sunday in March to last Sunday in October. Again, YMMV. There is a European initiative, still stalled in the bowels of bureaucracy waiting for final approval last I checked, essentially stating that each country has to pick one time zone and stick with it year-round. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/daylight-saving-time-again-lets-go-to-back-to-gods-time/937707.md?page=10)