# Deadpool 2! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430 "2018-05-18T22:26:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/21 "2018-05-20T06:01:46Z")
The next X-Men movie is apparently involving Mr. Sinister (Nathaniel Essex) so I’m curious to see if they’re going to try and even fit Deadpool in at all or not even bother. Overall I liked it a lot, but if the first was a 9/10 or 10/10 this one was a 7 or 8. The first half didn’t quite do it for me (and the predictable fridging of Vanessa didn’t do any favors). But I’m hoping that credits scene is canon and she’ll be back in the future. I’m pretty happy about how they did Cable, pretty authentic take on one of my favorite comic characters. I do hope if they do an X-Force movie or whatever he gets more of a chance to shine, as he didn’t get a ton of time in this one. I’d love if he could take on Stryfe or Apocalypse or something, and they can actually mention his telekinesis or T-O virus and whatnot. I know it’d be a lot to throw into this movie. I do agree that a lot of the fights/CGI didn’t do it for me. Some shots are appropriately vicious, but there were a lot of others that weren’t convincing (and Juggernaut looked faker than Colossus). > [@DigitalC](#): > > Some of the comic book writer jokes fell flat at mine, most people would have no idea who the guy who is unable to draw feet is or get all the jokes about Cables pouches. Yeah, I’m pretty sure I was the only one in my theater who laughed at the Rob Liefeld/“can’t draw feet” joke. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/22 "2018-05-20T06:15:30Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Well, I don’t think it makes sense, and the nature of the orphanage was inadequately explained. Now, you may be able to point at specific lines of dialog or whatever in which it was _technically_ explained, but it was not well presented in a cinematic way. That’s just one point, however, in what amounted to a plot that didn’t work for me at all. > > Both buildings have a castle-like look to them. Old-style architecture. I’m sure there’s a name for it. One of the main lines, repeated throughout the movie, is, “Blessed are the wicked who are healed by my hand”. In the very first scene with Firefist, they talk, repeatedly, about how the school is the best place to deal with children like him. If you consistently missed a plot point that was driven home time and again, I have a hard time faulting the writers. As for similar architecture - one is a glorified dormitory, one is a massive estate. I agree with others that posit the only thing they had in common were larger than average size and a roof. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/23 "2018-05-20T13:01:56Z")
Forgot to mention that the split second cameo of what was probably two dozen X Men characters was really funny. I wonder if that was Kelsey Grammer under the Beast make up. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/24 "2018-05-20T13:11:17Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Forgot to mention that the split second cameo of what was probably two dozen X Men characters was really funny. I wonder if that was Kelsey Grammer under the Beast make up. It wasn’t, it was the guy from the new versions Nicholas Hoult. All of them were. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/25 "2018-05-20T13:30:57Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > • To me, Cabal doesn’t really work. Not terrible. Not really all that interesting, either. Not like, “Wow, badass!” The dials on his gun also look like spare parts from Radio Shack, not future tech. Dunno, he ended up feeling rather superfluous, even though he’s supposed to be a main attraction of the film. Domino was 10x more interesting. The gun thing is because he repaired the weapon with parts from our time, or reconstructed the whole weapon from scratch, the scene isn’t perfectly clear. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/26 "2018-05-20T13:43:09Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It wasn’t, it was the guy from the new versions Nicholas Hoult. All of them were. That was my favorite joke. Not just because they pulled everyone back (except J-law? I don’t recall seeing her) for just one brief scene, but because it ties back to DP’s own observation in the last film that every time he came to that huge mansion you only saw Colossus and Negasonic because the studio was too cheap to bring in the other X-men. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/27 "2018-05-20T16:05:27Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Forgot to mention that the split second cameo of what was probably two dozen X Men characters was really funny. I wonder if that was Kelsey Grammer under the Beast make up. > [@epbrown01](#): > > That was my favorite joke. Not just because they pulled everyone back (except J-law? I don’t recall seeing her) for just one brief scene, but because it ties back to DP’s own observation in the last film that every time he came to that huge mansion you only saw Colossus and Negasonic because the studio was too cheap to bring in the other X-men. Aye; that was one of the best gags in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/28 "2018-05-20T16:14:22Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > That was my favorite joke. Not just because they pulled everyone back (except J-law? I don’t recall seeing her) for just one brief scene, but because it ties back to DP’s own observation in the last film that every time he came to that huge mansion you only saw Colossus and Negasonic because the studio was too cheap to bring in the other X-men. J-law and Sophie Turner were missing. Everyone else was there I think. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/29 "2018-05-20T16:19:51Z")
How did you see who was in that room? That scene was so brief, I barely saw anyone. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/30 "2018-05-20T16:21:43Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > How did you see who was in that room? That scene was so brief, I barely saw anyone. Second time around it’s easier cause you know its coming :), the first time i only noticed Beast and Quicksilver. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/31 "2018-05-20T18:04:55Z")
My favourite, despite it being spoiled by the previews, is still Deadpool to Cable. “That’s so dark, are you sure you’re not from the DC universe?” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/32 "2018-05-21T00:18:52Z")
> [@naita](#): > > My favourite, despite it being spoiled by the previews, is still Deadpool to Cable. “That’s so dark, are you sure you’re not from the DC universe?” Aye; that one was way better than the forced Thanos quip. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/33 "2018-05-21T01:25:43Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Second time around it’s easier cause you know its coming :), the first time i only noticed Beast and Quicksilver. There’s a scientific paper in this somewhere because those were the only two I saw clearly too. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/34 "2018-05-21T01:29:22Z")
Well Beast closed the door and Quicksilver was dead center in the frame. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/35 "2018-05-21T02:27:38Z")
[I found this](http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/deadpool-2/273617/how-that-deadpool-2-x-men-cameo-happened): > [@](#): > > We spotted Cyclops (Tye Sheridan), Beast (Nicholas Hoult), Professor Xavier (James McAvoy), Storm (Alexandra Shipp), Nightcrawler (Kodi Smit-McPhee) and Quicksilver (Evan Peters) before Beast quietly slides the door shut to avoid being noticed by an aggrieved Deadpool. They note that Mystique and Jean Grey are missing, btw. > [@David Leitch](#): > > That was interesting because Simon Kinberg was filming X-Men: Dark Phoenix in Montreal at the same time we were doing Deadpool. So this was in the script but we were always wondering how we were going to be able to pull it off. The set supervisor, Dan Glass, who did the Matrix films, he came up with this idea of doing a composite, and getting the plates to match. > > So we shot our side here, and we sent the measurements and the camera positions and things up to Simon’s team on Dark Phoenix, and they shot the plate for that there. Then we put the two together. So actually it turned out to be easier than we thought. If we would have had to get all those people in the room it probably wouldn’t have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/36 "2018-05-21T03:17:39Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Yeah, didn’t make sense. They look similar, though, and are conceptually related. Plus, why was a super-powered kid at a regular orphanage? Stupid, perhaps, but I was confused. It wasn’t a regular orphanage it was an orphanage for mutant kids. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/37 "2018-05-21T03:19:17Z")
The Vanisher is clearly the star of the film. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/38 "2018-05-23T11:00:06Z")
I liked the film quite a bit, but after stewing on it for a couple hours, I’m with the side that the original was better. Problem 1: They went whole hog with the comic book universe for a lot of the secondary characters (Juggernaut, Shatterstar, etc.) and content, which clashed with the rest of the movie stylistically and really only served for some Rob Liefeld jokes that probably almost none of the audience could get and, even among those who do, are already so overdone and rote that it’s not really all that amusing at this point. Problem 2: The style and tone of the film varied widely. The whole X-Force team get together - for example - felt less like a part of the movie we were watching and more like they shot it for the trailer as a joke and then decided to go ahead and wrap a small subplot around it just so they could throw it in to the movie. The quality of costumes and storytelling was notably lower than the rest of the film. It felt like they had different teams working on different subplots of the movie, in terms of everything from costuming to special effects, and edited it all together at the end. Problem 3: They turned pretty much all of the characters into Deadpool acolytes. In the first film, only Deadpool understood that he was a Bugs Bunny style character, and everyone else was a fairly realistic person in a standard action film. When Deadpool did something awful in the first movie - cutting off his own hand or something - Colossus puked. In this one, he kills a few people sort of out of the blue, and Colossus is effectively like, “Aw gee, Deadpool. That’s so naughty. Teehee.” Negasonic is sort of annoyed by him more out of script expectation than because she really has a personality. Domino instantly and completely falls into line following him, without question of his leadership abilities, the worthiness of the mission, nor even caring much about his flaws as a human being. Cable tosses his wife and child away just to be besties. Basically, the characters were deeper in the first film. Here, they’re all just cardboard cutouts and Deadpool went from being a half-serious character to full Loony Tunes. Personally, while I think that’s all fine for one movie and there’s no need for the second to be exactly like the first, but rewatchability on this one is probably going to be way lower and I would doubt the continued success of the series if they continue towards full comic book and Loony Tunes style film making. Real characters and real situations, surrounding Deadpool, will provide a more solid structure for continued quality. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/39 "2018-05-24T04:16:51Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Domino instantly and completely falls into line following him, without question of his leadership abilities, the worthiness of the mission, nor even caring much about his flaws as a human being. She says that she’s there (joining X-Force) because it’s where she ought to be to get to where she’s going. And, sure enough, it means she gets to participate in saving the children – and killing the staff – at the school where she was tortured as a child\*. I mean, I’m not going to go to the mat for it and debate “but what if she did [xyz] instead, then wouldn’t that be what she needed to do?” but I thought her motivations were clear enough for the style of movie we were dealing with. \*If I wanted to quibble, I’d wonder why she was sent away as a child since her powers seem subtle enough that her parents wouldn’t be “Oh no, she’s a mutant!” versus flying, starting fires with your mind or being bright green. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430/40 "2018-05-24T04:20:34Z")
Saw it last night and it was good, but I liked the original better. I did like the callback when DP gets the cocaine out of his hiding place in Al’s apartment and it’s next to the cure for blindness. > [@Jophiel](#): > > \*If I wanted to quibble, I’d wonder why she was sent away as a child since her powers seem subtle enough that her parents wouldn’t be “Oh no, she’s a mutant!” versus flying, starting fires with your mind or being bright green. When your third-grade record in dodgeball is 87-and-0, people start to ask questions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-2/814430.md?page=3)