# Deadpool and Wolverine (new trailer in OP, open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 22, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625 "2024-04-22T16:47:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/121 "2024-08-11T17:34:01Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > I liked the movie well enough but given that I no longer (even attempt to) follow any multi-verse anythings I didn’t understand why DP was no longer with the woman he spent all of the 2nd DP movie trying to save. Oh, he wasn’t? She was there at the table with everyone. What did the movie say? She dumped him? ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/122 "2024-08-11T17:36:24Z")
I’m not remembering it well and I might very well be wrong (likely), but though she was at the table I got the feeling she wasn’t The Most Important Thing in his life any more. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/123 "2024-08-11T17:40:16Z")
Based on what Logan said later, they broke up in the intervening years, but her presence seems to indicate that they’ll make another go of it. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/124 "2024-08-11T18:36:18Z")
Yeah, it’s the entire point of Deadpool’s interview with Happy. Vanessa (Morena Baccarin) wanted Deadpool to be more than just an anti-hero, but someone that mattered. He didn’t manage that, and ended up working with Peter. Their relationship ended at some point before that, and at Deadpool’s birthday party, she admitted she was seeing someone from work. I think it’s in the very beginning where Deadpool uses Cable’s timey-wimey bit to save her - he actually spent the entire second movie trying to die to be with her. The retconning he did was what drew the attention of the TVA in the first place. Originally, he was just supposed to be Voided for it a la Loki, but was given another chance by Paradox. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/125 "2024-08-11T18:55:21Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Vanessa (Morena Baccarin) wanted Deadpool to be more than just an anti-hero, but someone that mattered. He sacrificed his life to save Russell from going down a dark path in life, and then used a time machine to save Vanessa, but what has he done for anybody _lately_? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/126 "2024-08-11T19:32:00Z")
> [@Lare](#): > > Can someone please give me a short refresher without thinking too poorly of me? There is no refresher, their relationship ended in between movies apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/127 "2024-08-11T19:35:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > There is no refresher, their relationship ended in between movies apparently. They specifically said that after he was rejected by the Avengers, he gave up on being a superhero, became despondent, and couldn’t keep their relationship together. They still cared for each other, though, and he said specifically that she, along with his other friends who were there for his birthday, were the most important thing in the world to him. At the end of the movie, they hinted that they were getting back together. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/128 "2024-08-11T20:39:56Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > He sacrificed his life to save Russell from going down a dark path in life, and then used a time machine to save Vanessa, but what has he done for anybody _lately_? That’s two moments; Colossus says you need at least four to be a hero. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/129 "2024-08-11T21:19:41Z")
So which two from D&W? Slaughtering TVA agents to “Bye Bye Bye,” complete with choreography Saving his timeline ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/130 "2024-08-11T21:57:12Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > ended up working with Peter He works with Peter but is only friends with Piotr. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/131 "2024-08-12T19:43:16Z")
It was my understanding that Cassandra Nova actually caused Wade and Vanessa to break up. When Cassandra was messing with Wade’s head, she was playing with the timeline of his memories. She saw the conversation Wade and Vanessa had years ago, about the way their relationship was going, and Cassandra implanted the belief that Vanessa told Wade he would never really matter (or whatever it was she supposedly said). That crushed Wade, and he left as a result of that remark and stopped being Deadpool. Which is why he was trying to sell used cars with Peter as a career. When Cassandra was playing in Wade’s head, and he “saw” the conversation again, he realized Cassandra had messed with his memories. He said “She (Vanessa) never said that” in a tone of realization at the end of that scene. And when Wade left the relationship, he and Vanessa both did the usual “never talk about it again” trope so common with misunderstandings in TV and movie relationships. I’m willing to be wrong about this, but that’s how it seemed to me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/132 "2024-08-12T19:54:06Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > When Cassandra was playing in Wade’s head, and he “saw” the conversation again, he realized Cassandra had messed with his memories. He said “She (Vanessa) never said that” in a tone of realization at the end of that scene. And when Wade left the relationship, he and Vanessa both did the usual “never talk about it again” trope so common with misunderstandings in TV and movie relationships. Thanks, I need to see it again when this comes out for home viewing. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/133 "2024-08-12T20:23:19Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > It was my understanding that Cassandra Nova actually caused Wade and Vanessa to break up An interesting point of view! Thanks for taking the time to explain it. Cassandra def had some scary superpowers (like yanking one’s skin away), but her meddling in the psychology of a person is pretty scary. She did look good with a bald head though, I thought. Something very arresting about that look, but scary. ---
**Author:** ![Lare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@Lare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lare)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/134 "2024-08-12T20:52:01Z")
Yes, thanks, @Sauron that does help a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/135 "2024-08-13T00:23:08Z")
I didn’t see that as her effecting reality. I saw it as her taunting him with his worst fears Freddy Kruger style since she could read his mind and learn how to hurt him the most. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/136 "2024-08-13T01:06:59Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > She did look good with a bald head though, I thought. Something very arresting about that look, but scary. She reminded me of the woman from the first Star Trek movie. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/137 "2024-08-13T01:52:43Z")
Ah yes! Persis Khambata! Or perhaps a young Sinead O’Connor. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/138 "2024-08-13T01:53:55Z")
So the resemblance is to bald actresses? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/139 "2024-08-13T02:15:14Z")
So it would seem. 🤣 Except Sinead. She was a singer. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/140 "2024-08-13T02:20:38Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > I’m willing to be wrong about this, but that’s how it seemed to me. I don’t think Cassandra Nova was altering what really happened - she found the real memory of their breakup, and manipulated the memory to make Vanessa be more awful, but she didn’t change anything that had actually happened before that point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625.md?page=8)