# Deadpool and Wolverine (new trailer in OP, open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 22, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625 "2024-04-22T16:47:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/141 "2024-08-13T02:40:53Z")
Yeah, that’s an interesting theory… but not really supported by anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/142 "2024-08-13T05:07:25Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > She reminded me of the woman from the first Star Trek movie. I thought she looked remarkably like James McAvoy. Enough so that I looked her up to see if they’re related. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/143 "2024-08-13T17:48:46Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I guess I’ll be the dissenting and say I found it pretty forgettable in that I won’t be thinking about it much less remember it in a week. That was, sadly, my take too. Halfway through, I found myself bored, seriously considering leaving the theater, and wondering whether I’ve permanently aged out of Marvel movies. Everything in it had been done before, and done more interestingly. Deadpool’s snark? That was the best part, but it felt like watching a third stand-up special from a comedian who didn’t have anything new to say. TVA? They were kind of boring in _Loki_, and by now, I’m over them. But I was still a little cringey at watching them brutally slaughtered; the rank-and-file just don’t come across as evil enough to make that be satisfying. A bunch of variants? _Across the Spiderverse_ _nailed_ this one. The Void? It was a slog in Loki, and it was a helluva slog here. _Fury Road_ did it all, so much better. Nicepool and Dogpool? Okay, they were gold. The multiverse? _Everything Everywhere All at Once_ is the best take on this, followed by _Sal and Gabi Break the Universe_; Marvel’s take is dull. I was surprised at how little fun I had, having really enjoyed the first two. There was just nothing here to hold my attention. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/144 "2024-08-13T18:26:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > TVA? They were kind of boring in _Loki_, and by now, I’m over them. But I was still a little cringey at watching them brutally slaughtered; the rank-and-file just don’t come across as evil enough to make that be satisfying. Pretty much everyone working for the TVA is guilty of multiple acts of genocide. Some of them feel a bit bad about it now, but the ones working for Mr. Paradox still long for the good ol’ days of pruning realities that don’t jibe with the “sacred timeline.” ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/145 "2024-08-14T01:20:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > the rank-and-file just don’t come across as evil enough to make that be satisfying. But that’s the point of hordes of minions/henchmen. It’s all guilt by association. It should also be noted that all of those guys were actively trying to send Deadpool to the Void which to him looked a lot like trying to kill him. Don’t want to get red-shirted? Don’t put on a red shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/146 "2024-08-14T01:28:19Z")
IIRC, the TVA rank-and-file are clones custom-produced for this purpose, so it’s not like they chose to do this job. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/147 "2024-08-14T01:28:54Z")
Speaking of which, what happened to the red-shirt that Deadpool voided? He kills everybody else in an amusing fashion, but one guy got tasped on his own petard. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/148 "2024-08-14T02:02:37Z")
Fair enough, you and @Miller . That wasn’t my biggest problem with the movie, and if I had enjoyed the rest of it, I wouldn’t have minded that at all, probably. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/149 "2024-08-14T13:35:11Z")
Not enjoying the film is fair, of course, and even if 5% of viewers didn’t like it (per Rotten Tomatoes) that’s still a healthy number of disappointed people since it’s sold over a billion dollars in tickets. It does seem a little off to compare facets of the film against others with that as their entire focus. Spider-verse is all about different Spider-Man variants joining together. In DP & W, it’s a sight gag to let them quip & fight through a bunch of silly \*Pools. Of course Spider-Verse “did it better”. In Fury Road, the wasteland is basically a character in the film, affecting every scene and decision made. In DP & W, they spend as much Void time in cornfields, abandoned bars and forests as they do on the rocky barren plains. The whole point of Deadpool & Wolverine was to watch the iconic characters quip & fight. If that didn’t work for the viewer then it didn’t work but it probably wasn’t going to work either if all the \*Pools were a summoned cyborg army and Cassandra Nova put her fortress on Miami beach since neither of those changes would have altered the core of the film. Edit: Not directed at LHoD specifically since I saw the same complaints upthread and have seen them made elsewhere on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/150 "2024-08-14T13:52:34Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The whole point of Deadpool & Wolverine was to watch the iconic characters quip & fight. This makes it sound like it’s merely extended fanservice for Marvel non-MCU fans. Which, at a glance, makes it a weaker story for J. Random Movie-goer but a better movie for the extended fandom. I wonder if this isn’t the difference between “loved it” and “meh”. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/151 "2024-08-14T14:04:52Z")
With a billion+ in ticket sales and a 95% thumb up (granted, RT is self-selecting), it seems like it’s broadly popular with most viewers and I can’t believe they’re all FOX/Marvel fans. But, conversely, at $20 a ticket, that 5% is around 2.5mil people who left disappointed. My numbers are probably lacking in a ton of nuance but my point is that there’s room for lots of people who “just didn’t like it”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/152 "2024-08-14T14:05:07Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > I wonder if this isn’t the difference between “loved it” and “meh”. Probably not. You don’t make a billion in box office off the hardcore fans. That speaks to a pretty broad appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/153 "2024-08-14T15:37:49Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The whole point of Deadpool & Wolverine was to watch the iconic characters quip & fight. Yeah, I get that that’s the appeal–and the funny dances and some of the jokes landed for me. It was everything else that felt like a pastiche of better movies or shows. And given that some of those better shows weren’t all that amazing (here’s lookin at you Loki), I was bored. A more interesting goal than “save my universe from destruction by a psychopathic supervillain” would’ve been appreciated, but I’m not sure what that would’ve been in the comic-book milieu, which is why I wonder if I’ve just aged out of the genre. > [@Jophiel](#): > > Spider-verse is all about different Spider-Man variants joining together. I was specifically thinking about the scene where he’s escaping from the horde of Spidermen, including a cowboy Spiderman and a samurai spider-man and a spider-cat (not a spider-dog?). It was very similar to the Deadpool scene, down to the kinds of variants, but IMO funnier (T-WIP!) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/154 "2024-08-14T18:41:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > A more interesting goal than “save my universe from destruction by a psychopathic supervillain” would’ve been appreciated, but I’m not sure what that would’ve been in the comic-book milieu, which is why I wonder if I’ve _just aged out of the genre_. Maybe, maybe not. I’m older than you are by a bunch and I loved the movie. But then, I’ve always been a comics **geek** , not just a fan. My wife used to hate my “endless declamations on the superiority of Batman over all other comics heroes.” (Her words. Repeatedly.) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/155 "2024-08-14T20:05:25Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > But then, I’ve always been a comics **geek** , not just a fan. Folks have said that the move works for non-comics-geeks, which category definitely includes me. Besides Sandman, I think I can count the number of superhero comics I’ve read on two hands. They just don’t appeal to me. I’m much more of a novel-and-D&D kind of nerd. But I’ve enjoyed lots of MCU movies. It’s just that over the past few years, I’ve been enjoying them less and less. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/156 "2024-08-14T20:20:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > But I’ve enjoyed lots of MCU movies. It’s just that over the past few years, I’ve been enjoying them less and less. **That** I will freely grant you. Oversaturation of the genre is becoming a Big Issue. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/157 "2024-08-14T20:57:21Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Probably not. You don’t make a billion in box office off the hardcore fans. That speaks to a pretty broad appeal. And from a restricted movie too. This wouldn’t include the under 18 crowd, who would normally make up a large part of the audience for a superhero Moviefilm. The creators of Deadpool have accomplished some thing amazing here. Talk about good timing. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/158 "2024-08-14T21:09:41Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Folks have said that the move works for non-comics-geeks, which category definitely includes me. Yeah, my wife isn’t particularly interested in superheroes, but she loved the hell out of W&D. Prior to this one, the only other Marvel movie that she made a point of seeing on her own were the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. I think the common denominator for her is dick jokes. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/159 "2024-08-14T22:59:29Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > And from a restricted movie too. This wouldn’t include the under 18 crowd, who would normally make up a large part of the audience for a superhero Moviefilm. The creators of Deadpool have accomplished some thing amazing here. Talk about good timing. I wouldn’t bet on this, my theater was absolutely packed with children. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625/160 "2024-08-14T23:01:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I wouldn’t bet on this, my theater was absolutely packed with children. Seriously? One wonders why we even bother to have movie ratings then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-and-wolverine-new-trailer-in-op-open-spoilers/1000625.md?page=9)