# Deadpool. Seen it. (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033 "2016-02-13T18:58:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/41 "2016-02-16T02:40:51Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > It absolutely was a helicarrier. It had giant nacelles attached to it. It looked like it was either being assembled or taken apart. I thought it was at first too, but now I’m not so sure. If it was a helicarrier, I don’t care what the studio lawyers say: it was one of the helicarriers shot down in _Winter Soldier_. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/42 "2016-02-16T03:14:24Z")
Loved the Hugh Jackman mask. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/43 "2016-02-16T16:34:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I thought it was at first too, but now I’m not so sure. > > If it was a helicarrier, I don’t care what the studio lawyers say: it was one of the helicarriers shot down in _Winter Soldier_. Well, technically, no, but it seems clear to me that they wanted to imply the references to other super hero films. Like the obvious reference to his role as Green Lantern, he only says not to make his suit green or animated. So I think they specifically choice that location as a point of referencing the MCU as a wink to the fans but left it ambiguous enough that it wasn’t distracting. That said, it wouldn’t be one of those from Winter Soldier, since those were all in DC and they clearly weren’t in DC. As for the film itself, I loved it to. As I’ve told everyone I’ve encouraged to see it, there were a couple parts where I was literally in tears from laughing so hard. Yes, the story was derivative, but that’s part of the point, that it takes the superhero tropes and turns them upside down, so I don’t see that as a negative at all. The only real negatives I have are nitpicks. I have a few minor storyline and pacing issues. For example, I felt like they could have trimmed a smidge of the torturing scenes and replaced them with a bit of stuff on Vanessa so we have a better idea of just how long it had been from when he left her. I really have no idea if that was just a few weeks, a couple months or over a year. It also would have raised the emotional stakes and not had her pretty much out of the picture for a large chunk of the movie. It still worked, though, because they did a good job of establishing their relationship as believable before that. Also, I’d have liked a bit more context for the villainous organization that Ajax and Agent Smith worked for, especially since it was a change from the comic origin I’m familiar with (Weapon X). That’s also minor though. Regardless, those nitpicks are very minor, for an otherwise nearly perfect film, at least for what it was aiming to be. As for age appropriateness, I could see about 14 or so being reasonable, with some younger, depending on the individual kid. Like, I don’t think I’d take my 11yo nephew to see it. Though, it’s definitely not a film for everyone, as the style of humor is something I know not everyone appreciates. I am trying to convince my mom to see it, who I think will enjoy it because she’s liked many other comic films and can enjoy some of the raunchy humor, but my dad probably wouldn’t since he’s not really into comic films and doesn’t appreciate raunchy humor as much. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/44 "2016-02-16T17:00:41Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Well, technically, no, but it seems clear to me that they wanted to imply the references to other super hero films. Like the obvious reference to his role as Green Lantern, he only says not to make his suit green or animated. So I think they specifically choice that location as a point of referencing the MCU as a wink to the fans but left it ambiguous enough that it wasn’t distracting. That said, it wouldn’t be one of those from Winter Soldier, since those were all in DC and they clearly weren’t in DC. Don’t forget the trading card in the opening sequence. As to the hellicarriers - this looked like pre-winter soldier to me - with turbines vs disruptors - don’t know why I think that, but I do. And I think its smart of them to tie it in to the MCU in the ways they can, and I am reasonably sure it’s all approved and intended - its too big of a cash cow not to. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/45 "2016-02-16T17:45:06Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > For example, I felt like they could have trimmed a smidge of the torturing scenes and replaced them with a bit of stuff on Vanessa so we have a better idea of just how long it had been from when he left her. I really have no idea if that was just a few weeks, a couple months or over a year. Wilson said a couple of times that it was a year-long plan in the making for revenge on Francis, so minimum of one year. Longer if it took him a while to recuperate before planning revenge. One thing I thought was great to show passage of time was the extended holiday sex scene where her hair was longer every time they fucked. Great way to show how long they had been together. (Although at first I thought it was all one night, and Vanessa had several wigs for dress up purposes.) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/46 "2016-02-16T19:59:36Z")
The \*\*Deadpool \*\*effect. Fox has announced that the next Wolverine movie will be rated R. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/47 "2016-02-16T20:28:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The \*\*Deadpool \*\*effect. Fox has announced that the next Wolverine movie will be rated R. So Wolverine’s pants will finally disintegrate if he gets into a psychic blast? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/48 "2016-02-16T20:42:33Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The \*\*Deadpool \*\*effect. Fox has announced that the next Wolverine movie will be rated R. I wonder if Jackman will be back. He’s getting a little long in the claw. I’ve heard him talk about how difficult it is getting to get back into Wolverine shape. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/49 "2016-02-17T00:24:12Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I wonder if Jackman will be back. He’s getting a little long in the claw. I’ve heard him talk about how difficult it is getting to get back into Wolverine shape. Yes, this will be his final one. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/50 "2016-02-17T04:45:39Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I felt like they could have trimmed a smidge of the torturing scenes and replaced them with a bit of stuff on Vanessa so we have a better idea of just how long it had been from when he left her. I really have no idea if that was just a few weeks, a couple months or over a year. It also would have raised the emotional stakes and not had her pretty much out of the picture for a large chunk of the movie. > [@JSexton](#): > > Wilson said a couple of times that it was a year-long plan in the making for revenge on Francis, so minimum of one year. Longer if it took him a while to recuperate before planning revenge. With his healing factor, there shouldn’t be a recuperation period. When Vanessa slaps him she says “Two _years_, Wade!” I’d say it was a year of torture trying to get his genes to kick in and another year looking for Francis. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The \*\*Deadpool \*\*effect. Fox has announced that the next Wolverine movie will be rated R. I’ve long thought the studios’ insistence on PG-13 for the genre was misguided. Comic books haven’t been children’s fare in _decades_. The success of this movie convincing them of that may be surpass its entertainment value. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/51 "2016-02-17T05:00:29Z")
I’m sure there would be a large audience for an R Rated Wolverine if Hugh Jackman gets naked. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/52 "2016-02-17T18:06:24Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I’ve long thought the studios’ insistence on PG-13 for the genre was misguided. Comic books haven’t been children’s fare in _decades_. The success of this movie convincing them of that may be surpass its entertainment value. Studios don’t make comic book films PG-13 because they think comic books are for kids. They make them because a lot of kids like comic books and PG-13 films can bring in 3x what R rated films bring in. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The \*\*Deadpool \*\*effect. Fox has announced that the next Wolverine movie will be rated R. And depending on how well Suicide Squad does, there will probably be a whole host of R rated “anti-superhero” films. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/53 "2016-02-17T18:34:13Z")
Someone on a public radio program that was discussing the success of this film described the character as R-rated. I think that’s correct. For example the Superman character is basically G-rated, so a Superman movie is going to be G or PG-13 rated. But Deadpool is different. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/54 "2016-02-17T20:10:59Z")
Yeah, an R-rated _Iron Man_ might have appealed to those of us enamored with Gwyneth Paltrow, but it would have pulled in a lot less money and disappointed a lot of kids. I’m skeptical that even a Wolverine needs an R-rating but I guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/55 "2016-02-17T20:17:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Someone on a public radio program that was discussing the success of this film described the character as R-rated. I think that’s correct. For example the Superman character is basically G-rated, so a Superman movie is going to be G or PG-13 rated. But Deadpool is different. I’m trying to imagine a PG-13 version of WATCHMEN. Can’t manage it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/56 "2016-02-17T20:20:39Z")
You’d probably need to put underwear on Doctor Manhattan. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/57 "2016-02-17T20:23:43Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I’m skeptical that even a Wolverine needs an R-rating but I guess we’ll see. I dunno - I remember being impressed when in… X2?, Wolverine stabbed one of the mansion-invading troops through the chest and pinned him to the fridge. I remember thinking something like, “Hey, it’s the real Wolverine - risky move, moviemakers - thank you!” ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/58 "2016-02-17T21:46:24Z")
I would be skeptical if they decided to make more superhero movies R because of the success of one of them. More cursing and blood do not a good movie make. I would have preferred a little more story in Deadpool than we got IMO. I thought the pacing was a bit off and needed to tell a bit of a better story overall. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/59 "2016-02-17T23:47:37Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I would be skeptical if they decided to make more superhero movies R because of the success of one of them. More cursing and blood do not a good movie make. > > I would have preferred a little more story in Deadpool than we got IMO. I thought the pacing was a bit off and needed to tell a bit of a better story overall. It was a fun movie, but I’d agree. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033/60 "2016-02-18T02:44:58Z")
Yeah, let’s see. There’s the aforementioned fully-nude strip club scene, an extended sex montage including the aforementioned pegging, a couple other bits of incidental nudity, a cutaway shot of Deadpool semi-explicitly masturbating, and numerous lines of dialogue explicitly referencing specific sex acts. Oh, and Deadpool has a fight scene while nude – his “naughty bits” are mostly (but not entirely) hidden, but the scene definitely has a sexual humiliation overtone. The violence is pretty much constant and explicit. It’s not THAT much more graphic than other gory R-rated romps, but there’s something about it that is a little darker than most. There’s a stronger sense that Deadpool is KILLING PEOPLE, not just…shooting generic cannon fodder. There’s also some sequences of torture for the sake of torture that are pretty intense. This isn’t a movie that has an R-rating because they said “fuck” too often and flashed some tits. It’s a movie that has an R-rating because it’s attempting to push the edges of what is acceptable in “mainstream” entertainment. This isn’t a movie where they are teetering on the edge of PG-13; this is a movie where they were carefully keeping it JUST this side of NC-17. I respect that people can be exposed to different material at different ages. I respect that people can make their own decisions for their kids. Please don’t take a nine-year-old to see Deadpool. Hell, if for no other reason than that it would be uncomfortable for every other person who showed up to see the movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadpool-seen-it-open-spoilers/746033.md?page=4)