# Deadwood: 5/1 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 2, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008 "2005-05-02T02:15:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/21 "2005-05-02T13:23:17Z")
OK, I’m going to defend Alma. There she is, minding her own business, knitting with Sophia and trying not to think about her pregnancy. The next thing she knows, Ellsworth shows up to ask her to go to the hardware store for the bank “opening.” Then he brings up his proposal. It would have felt like nagging to me and I’d have been pissed. Alma’s in love with Seth and she doesn’t WANT to go the store and deal with that situation but feels like she has to. Plus she still feels like shit because of the pregnancy. It was piss poor timing on Ellsworth’s part. I can’t figure out what’s going on with Seth–he’s two steps behind on everything going on in the camp. Line of the night came from Joanie: “It’s nippy on my fucking twat.” (at least, I think that’s what she said…) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/22 "2005-05-02T14:09:44Z")
> [@Rooves](#): > > I have this idea that Jane moved in with Joany stubbs in the “i’m going to get it on with her” capacity. The “little girl” who tried to rob her last season referred to Joany as a dike. So who knows. That thought crossed my mind, but I’ve read nothing of the historical ‘Calamity Jane’ that indicated she swung that way. She is known to have had some… er, ‘casual relations’ with a few men. She did work in a brothel, but I don’t remember when or where, nor her capacity. (IIRC, she did laundry in one of them, but that may have been in her later years.) About William. Maybe it was innocent. As I said, I might have just been cynical. But he looked worried, and what’s-his-name was giving him money and telling him something was ‘their secret’. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/23 "2005-05-02T14:24:47Z")
I thought there was something pervy going on, esp. since Steve (is that his name?) wanted to fuck Bullock’s horse and had to settle for jerking off on the horse’s leg instead. It seemed as though something happened and Steve told William it was their secret but it was OK for William to tell Seth that he (Steve) had given William a penny or whatever it was. I don’t think Jane is a lesbian although we know Joanie swings both ways. Jane’s a soft touch hidden by drunken scowls–remember Season One with Sophia, then Andy, and then helping out with the small pox victims. I think she just wants to help Joanie, not get in her pants. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/24 "2005-05-02T14:48:21Z")
I heard William saying something about how he wasn’t supposed to ride on the bicycle. But I was creeped out by Steve. In the preview for next week, Steve appears to be walking around and out for revenge against the NG and the owner of the livery stable, whose name escapes me now. Was the NG trying to geld the horse that ended up running away? No wonder it wanted to run away. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/25 "2005-05-02T15:55:26Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Miss Iz is very close to visiting Woo’s pigs. Didn’t the previews have Al saying something like “I’ll come over there and slit your throat for you” to her? And tragedy of the night: only three more episodes this season!! ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/26 "2005-05-02T16:11:09Z")
I guess I didn’t Steve as being creepy as much as he was desperate. He wants to get back in Bullock’s good graces. I may be wrong though. If he did “interfere” with William then Bullock will most likely beat him to death. I think William might survive though (and I agree with a previous poster that it will bring Seth and Martha closer together). ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/27 "2005-05-02T16:33:11Z")
> [@BobT](#): > > Was the NG trying to geld the horse that ended up running away? No wonder it wanted to run away. Yes. \ Due to stallions getting “distracted” army cavalry units tended to use mares and geldings. NG was hoping to turn around and sell the horse to a local cavalry attachment, but before he could do that, they had to attend to the gelding. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/28 "2005-05-02T18:18:41Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > OK, I’m going to defend Alma. There she is, minding her own business, knitting with Sophia and trying not to think about her pregnancy. The next thing she knows, Ellsworth shows up to ask her to go to the hardware store for the bank “opening.” Then he brings up his proposal. It would have felt like nagging to me and I’d have been pissed. Alma’s in love with Seth and she doesn’t WANT to go the store and deal with that situation but feels like she has to. Plus she still feels like shit because of the pregnancy. It was piss poor timing on Ellsworth’s part. > > I can’t figure out what’s going on with Seth–he’s two steps behind on everything going on in the camp. > > Line of the night came from Joanie: “It’s nippy on my fucking twat.” (at least, I think that’s what she said…) Not sure if you know the business relationship between Alma & Ellsworth. He tends to her claim and manages the mining operation, so he does more than just “show up”. Alma is also the one providing all of the resources (funds) for the bank’s operations, that’s why they thought she should be there for the opening of the safe. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/29 "2005-05-02T18:26:53Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Alma is also the one providing all of the resources (funds) for the bank’s operations, that’s why they thought she should be there for the opening of the safe. That’s what brought legitimacy to the request. It was really the way for Mrs. Bullock to make ammends. Haj ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/30 "2005-05-02T19:33:57Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Not sure if you know the business relationship between Alma & Ellsworth. He tends to her claim and manages the mining operation, so he does more than just “show up”. Alma is also the one providing all of the resources (funds) for the bank’s operations, that’s why they thought she should be there for the opening of the safe. I was unclear. My point is that Ellsworth “showed up” in the sense that Alma wasn’t expecting him–I think they’d had a meeting that morning which ended with her puking. He then asked her to attend an event with people she is studiously avoiding but that she couldn’t say no to; i.e., the invite was out of left field, so she was a bit flustered and in no frame of mind to address his proposal. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/31 "2005-05-02T21:06:20Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > i.e., the invite was out of left field, so she was a bit flustered and in no frame of mind to address his proposal. I doubt she’s even thinking about it. She’s probably waiting for lightning to strike Martha, so she can have the man she wants. I’m ticked at Alma today. She doesn’t seem to realize that Ellsworth’s proposal affects **his** life too. If I were Ellsworth, I’d rescind that proposal, let the snippy bitch figure things out on her own. It’s such a freakin’ strain for her to be decent to people unless she has advance notice so she can hide the antennae and assume her human shape. She should have known within five minutes whether she was going to marry him or not. I hope for his sake that she says no. Can you imagine living with that woman? I’m off the Alma Love Train. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/32 "2005-05-02T21:20:46Z")
> [@BobT](#): > > … the owner of the livery stable, whose name escapes me now. > [/spoiler] His name is Hostetler. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/33 "2005-05-02T21:26:01Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I’m ticked at Alma today. She doesn’t seem to realize that Ellsworth’s proposal affects **his** life too. > > If I were Ellsworth, I’d rescind that proposal, let the snippy bitch figure things out on her own. It’s such a freakin’ strain for her to be decent to people unless she has advance notice so she can hide the antennae and assume her human shape. > > She should have known within five minutes whether she was going to marry him or not. I hope for his sake that she says no. Can you imagine living with that woman? > > I’m off the Alma Love Train. I totally agree. I mean how long is Ellsworth supposed to suspend his own life to wait to see if Alma can get into Seth’s pants again? From Trixie’s comments, it seemed like it was rare to go that long without a yes or no answer to the proposal. Alma is really stringing Ellsworth along and it’s a shame, because he is such a decent man. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/34 "2005-05-02T21:30:55Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > His name is Hostetler. Thanks. I kept thinking the man’s name was horse-related, although from my searching it seems that Hostetler is a Swiss name that has nothing to do with horses, but just means “high place”. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/35 "2005-05-02T23:14:02Z")
When we first heard Hostetler’s name, last season, I heard Hostler, and since it was fitting, I keep thinking of him as Hostler. Did we see him get up, after he fell and bumped his head? Another thing I loved about this week was how Wolcott perked up when he heard Charlie say “amalgamation and capital”. " Aha! A kindred spirit! Oh wait, that’s the guy that kicked my butt." I think Wolcott would have loved to talk philosophy and economics with Charlie – he could put their former dealings in another compartment in his mind. ---
**Author:** ![CBCD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@CBCD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBCD)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2005, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/36 "2005-05-02T23:50:10Z")
Why is Trixie so adamant that Ellsworth marry Alma? What’s in it for Trixie? (Or, as she asked Sol to refer to her when he wrote down her name as the first depositor in the Deadwood Bank, _‘Trixie - Whore’_) > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Aside from Doc Cochran, Ellsworth is the only genuinly good character in the show. What about **Charlie Utter**? He is one of the moral voices in the Deadwood, although not that many people listen to him. He talks about right and wrong. He acts according to his conscience. He can be trusted with a confidence. He is trustworthy. He’s been a good friend to Joanie. I’m going to miss him while he’s delivering Wild Bill’s last letter to his wife. Come back soon, Charlie! ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/37 "2005-05-03T00:27:00Z")
> [@CBCD](#): > > Why is Trixie so adamant that Ellsworth marry Alma? What’s in it for Trixie? (Or, as she asked Sol to refer to her when he wrote down her name as the first depositor in the Deadwood Bank, _‘Trixie - Whore’_) Nothing’s in it for Trixie, except maybe some peace and calm at the store, and with Sol, who wouldn’t have to deal with Seth and his constant tension over the situation. Could be she truly cares for Alma, or the child, who would be illegitimate. That’s a good question. I haven’t seen Trixie as a matchmaker or a peacemaker up till now. ---
**Author:** ![cstamets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/958977/32.png) [@cstamets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cstamets)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/38 "2005-05-03T00:56:33Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Nothing’s in it for Trixie, except maybe some peace and calm at the store, and with Sol, who wouldn’t have to deal with Seth and his constant tension over the situation. > > Could be she truly cares for Alma, or the child, who would be illegitimate. > > That’s a good question. I haven’t seen Trixie as a matchmaker or a peacemaker up till now. I think Trixie is more concerned with Martha in this whole Seth/Alma thing. Everyone in town knows what was going on. Everyone’s going to assume the baby is Bullock’s. Marrying off Alma is Trixie’s attempt at sparing Martha some public embarassment. Another reason why Trixie doesn’t like Bullock. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/39 "2005-05-03T02:07:40Z")
> [@CBCD](#): > > What about **Charlie Utter**? He is one of the moral voices in the Deadwood, although not that many people listen to him. He talks about right and wrong. He acts according to his conscience. He can be trusted with a confidence. He is trustworthy. He’s been a good friend to Joanie. I’m going to miss him while he’s delivering Wild Bill’s last letter to his wife. Come back soon, Charlie! Ack… forgot about Utter… looks like he fell under the radar for me as he does for most in the show! ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008/40 "2005-05-03T02:22:19Z")
> [@cstamets](#): > > I think Trixie is more concerned with Martha in this whole Seth/Alma thing. Everyone in town knows what was going on. Everyone’s going to assume the baby is Bullock’s. Marrying off Alma is Trixie’s attempt at sparing Martha some public embarassment. Another reason why Trixie doesn’t like Bullock. Which shows us something about Trixie’s character, that with all of Bullock’s judgmental behavior toward her, she shows concern for his wife and child. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-5-1/302008.md?page=3)