# Deadwood 7/13 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232 "2004-06-14T03:11:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2004, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/61 "2004-06-17T16:11:16Z")
I’ve had this idea about the show brewing in my mind the last couple weeks. I’m not sure how well though out it is, but I thought I’d throw it out for the group’s derision. Should we be at all be concerned that what happened to NYPD Blue might happen to Deadwood? There are some parallels between the shows (besides Milch). I’m concerned about the potential for Seth to become what David Caruso became on Blue…a festering ball of non-stop intensity. The Caruso character quickly became tiresome for me. He was so ‘one-note’. I hope it doesn’t happen with Seth. Second, isn’t Al at least a little bit of a 19th century Andy Sipowicz? He’s a damaged, gruff, anti-social loner, who down deep really is a good person. If by season three, Al is dutifully raising the son he had with Trixie after her untimely death, I’m tuning out. Third, one of the show’s strengths is its writing and the unique way of speaking that its charachters have. Blue used to have some of that as well, but after a couple seasons, just a few minutes of that dialogue made me run screaming from the room. It was soooo mannered. i just wanted them to stop talking like that. I hope Deadwood doesn’t end up in the same place. Any thoughts? Am I totally off the beam here? ---
**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2004, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/62 "2004-06-17T16:41:52Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > Looks an awful lot like [Curly Bill Brocious](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108358/) too. Not so amazing since the same actor, Powers Boothe, played both characters. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/63 "2004-06-17T17:58:42Z")
Yeah, I know. It was kind of a funny. Also, Trixie was once married to Wyatt Earp. Just couldn’t lay off the junk in Tombstone or Deadwood. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/64 "2004-06-18T04:12:40Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > Which reminds me of something. In one of the earlier episodes, Al tells Trixie to get upstairs and bring a bottle of booze. She goes to the bar and makes a gesture with her thumb to Dan and he says something like “Don’t give me that thumb, Trixie.” What was that all about? I wondered about that too, but am clueless. Dan (Earl) posts occasionally in the Yahoo group; I’ll ask him. ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/65 "2004-06-18T05:04:20Z")
Something that people seem to be forgetting is that Cy already owns property in Chinatown, he donated it to be used as the pest tent during the smallpox epidemic. At the time, Al had a line in which he speculated that Cy’d expand his clientell to the Chinese. I also think that Al sees more in Seth than just “can’t be bought”. Al appreciates predictability. Surprizes are bad for buisiness. He doesn’t care so much that Cousin Larry (sorry, I’m horrible at memorizing character names) skims from him on occasion, because he expects it to happen. He knows that Seth will be a force of justice, and will act in a predictable way to most situations. If a piece of the puzzle that is Al’s day to day business can be counted on to behave in a predictable manner, then it makes it easier for him to plan his actions. That is why Al wants Seth to be sherriff. -lv ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/66 "2004-06-18T11:37:34Z")
> [@Ass For A Hat](#): > > I’ve had this idea about the show brewing in my mind the last couple weeks. I’m not sure how well though out it is, but I thought I’d throw it out for the group’s derision. > > Should we be at all be concerned that what happened to NYPD Blue might happen to Deadwood? > > There are some parallels between the shows (besides Milch). I’m concerned about the potential for Seth to become what David Caruso became on Blue…a festering ball of non-stop intensity. The Caruso character quickly became tiresome for me. He was so ‘one-note’. I hope it doesn’t happen with Seth. > > Second, isn’t Al at least a little bit of a 19th century Andy Sipowicz? He’s a damaged, gruff, anti-social loner, who down deep really is a good person. If by season three, Al is dutifully raising the son he had with Trixie after her untimely death, I’m tuning out. > > Third, one of the show’s strengths is its writing and the unique way of speaking that its charachters have. Blue used to have some of that as well, but after a couple seasons, just a few minutes of that dialogue made me run screaming from the room. It was soooo mannered. i just wanted them to stop talking like that. I hope Deadwood doesn’t end up in the same place. > > Any thoughts? Am I totally off the beam here? Not totally, but it’s not something I’d sit around and fret over while watching the show. My points: 1. Glad to hear next march. Gladder to hear 9:00pm. I normally tape DW. This week I screwed up and didn’t get to watch until last night after I taped it on wednesday. 2. Great season. Great finale. 3. Any of you know what happens in Deadwood in 1879? 4. Someone else mentioned this, but I’ve too been to Deadwood. Lead and Deadwood. The graves of some of these folks are there. I distinctly remember Jane’s and Wild Bill’s. That’s just a nice part of the country to see. I read an article recently (maybe from a link in one of these threads) that their tourism has gone up like 300% since the show started. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/67 "2004-06-18T13:11:00Z")
**KSO** , here’s what Jim Beaver has to say about that scene. Jim plays Ellsworth, the prospector whose claim was next to Brom’s. Ellsworth had witnessed Brom’s killing: “Trixie had been talking to Dan about not killing Ellsworth for seeing the Brom murder. When Al called her upstairs, she jerked her thumb toward Ellsworth as if to say, “Don’t forget what we were talking about, Dan.” Dan said, “Don’t point your thumb at me, Trixie” as if to say, I haven’t forgotten, so don’t push it.” Jim is in Deadwood today, staying at the Bullock Hotel. They’re having a celebration of some kind up there, and Jim’s going to be in a parade. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/68 "2004-06-18T13:40:34Z")
Thanks, **Auntie Pam** , that’s been bothering me for weeks! Do you have a link for the Yahoo Group? ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/69 "2004-06-18T13:49:22Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > Also, Trixie was once married to Wyatt Earp. Just couldn’t lay off the junk in Tombstone or Deadwood. Really? I assumed Trixie was completely fictional, for some reason… ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/70 "2004-06-18T16:13:39Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > Do you have a link for the Yahoo Group? There are a couple of Deadwood lists on Yahoo Groups but my guess is that it’s DeadwoodHBO ([Here](http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DeadwoodHBO)). That group seems the largest and most active, and does mention it’s also for the actors to post. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/71 "2004-06-18T16:23:11Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > Really? I assumed Trixie was completely fictional, for some reason… Sorry…yet another joke. The actress who plays Trixie also played Mrs. Earp in _Tombstone_. And she had a drug problem in both. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/72 "2004-06-18T16:25:43Z")
Yep, that’s the link. We’re degenerating into babble and chit-chat, now that the first season is over, but it’s a fun, friendly group, and some serious discussion about the show is still happening. Oh, and one of the members is doing graphite drawings of the cast and posting them. The original drawings are going to the cast members. Dan/Earl has already claimed his, and has agreed to get the others to the cast members. As for Trixie, she’s fictional, but Paula Malcomson who plays Trixie also played Wyatt Earp’s wife in Tombstone. Maybe that’s what Max Carnage meant. ---
**Author:** ![eponymous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e0b2c6/32.png) [@eponymous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eponymous)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/73 "2004-06-18T16:56:14Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > 1. Any of you know what happens in Deadwood in 1879? From what I understand, a good chunk of it burns down. Note: this I learned after I started watching the show. But it ties in nicely with a statement that Al made in one of the earlier episodes that he’d threaten to “burn the camp down” (I’m paraphrasing from memory, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/74 "2004-06-18T17:38:44Z")
Two things I wanted to bring up. 1. So cool that Jane paid all of her swear money to Sophia. $2.00 at 1 penny a swear. 2. The scene of Seth on the balcony with Al, and Alma in her room was an excellent way to show the gap that exists between them. They can be “together” sexually, but they can never really be together. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/75 "2004-06-18T17:54:34Z")
> [@eponymous](#): > > From what I understand, a good chunk of it burns down. Note: this I learned after I started watching the show. But it ties in nicely with a statement that Al made in one of the earlier episodes that he’d threaten to “burn the camp down” (I’m paraphrasing from memory, of course). Be funny if it happened because of the badly placed stovepipe in that bar where Hickock died. ---
**Author:** ![ltfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@ltfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ltfire)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/76 "2004-06-18T20:31:42Z")
Where, oh where have I seen ‘JEWEL’ before? I’m trying to get past her actor face and remember what she has been in before this show. Anybody? ---
**Author:** ![Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/77 "2004-06-18T20:45:30Z")
> [@ltfire](#): > > Where, oh where have I seen ‘JEWEL’ before? I’m trying to get past her actor face and remember what she has been in before this show. Anybody? Possibly from The Facts Of Life? [From her IMDB bio…](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0422434/) One of the first actresses/comediannes with cerebral palsy with a with a recurring role on a TV series, Facts of Life. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/78 "2004-06-18T20:55:32Z")
Geri Jewel, IIRC, had a stretch of popularity some years back as a stand-up comedian. I can’t remember any episodic TV role until this one, but I could easily be wrong on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Chastain86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/79 "2004-06-18T21:04:44Z")
At least one Deadwood historical website makes reference to the fact that Wyatt Earp arrived in town after Bullock, intent on settling and becoming sheriff. Bullock informed him, and none-too-politely, that the job was already filled, and Earp had best move along. Earp then found his way to Tombstone. Would **love love LOVE** to see that as a plot thread in Season Two. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232/80 "2004-06-18T22:15:24Z")
> [@Ass For A Hat](#): > > Second, isn’t Al at least a little bit of a 19th century Andy Sipowicz? He’s a damaged, gruff, anti-social loner, who down deep really is a good person. If by season three, Al is dutifully raising the son he had with Trixie after her untimely death, I’m tuning out. I think it’s useful to distinguish between “down deep really is a good person” and “has a few shreds of humanity.” I don’t think Al’s a “good person.” I think’s he’s a bad, nasty man to the core, and the writers have wisely chosen to make his character _that_ much more real and intense by giving him enough human traits that he avoids being a caricture. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deadwood-7-13/250232.md?page=3)