# Dealing with family that supports trump. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712 "2018-09-22T00:11:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/41 "2018-09-22T21:15:08Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > It’s quite clear that trump supporters are either as vile as he is, or are immune to facts and logic. In the case of my wife’s family, I don’t want to know which one it is. Then don’t ask. If you find yourself getting into arguments about Trump everywhere you, you might think about who is present, everywhere you go. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/42 "2018-09-22T21:34:30Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Americans seem to be unique in wanting to discuss politics at family gatherings. Why? > > It really doesn’t happen here in Canada (or probably elsewhere.) There has never been a president as divisive as Trump. I don’t recall politics being discussed at parties in the US before. And there is nothing like Trump in Canada. Although since you are in Ontario, maybe Doug Ford, who seems to be almost Trumpian. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/43 "2018-09-22T21:38:59Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Easy for you to say. It’s not your country going to hell. If you listen to what the Left say over here, it’s just the same. And there are still divisions over Thatcher. > [@](#): > > Over here, we’re worried You should be worried whoever is in power. An active and interested and concerned electorate is the bastion of democracy. > [@](#): > > A substantial number of our fellow citizens are either dangerously stupid or just deplorable. Some of them surely are, but most of them probably have a different perspective and a different understanding of the issues. And you will probably find that you actually agree with them on most things, just differing on certain issues. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/44 "2018-09-22T21:40:21Z")
Every time someone brings up the CFSG, reply with “…in accordance with Prophecy.” Do this without fail _every single time_. My bet will be they leave you alone about it within 10 minutes. I also recommend that you three stay somewhere other than the “ranch.” That way you can all bail the instant things get to be too much. Then moon them when you drive away. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/45 "2018-09-22T21:46:44Z")
With that many people, there will be the full range of political enthusiasm. Younger people will probably care less, for example. Others will spend the whole trip in front of a TV tuned to Fox News. Hang out with the less political people and you may not have to deal with it much at all. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/46 "2018-09-22T22:19:09Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Some of them surely are, but most of them probably have a different perspective and a different understanding of the issues. And you will probably find that you actually agree with them on most things, just differing on certain issues. Like differing on whether it is okay to elect a self-described serial sexual predator and advocate for suppressing a free press who campaigned on the promise to jail his political opponent and who even as president cannot bring himself to respectfully comfort the families of fallen soldiers or unconditionally condemn white nationalists and neo-Nazis? This “there are two equal sides to every view” horseshit doesn’t fly when one side openly supports bigotry, repression, and assault, notwithstanding the degree of manifestly corrupt people nominated into high executive positions, the likes of which has not been seen since the infamous Harding presidency. But keep pushing that line while stiffing waitresses and whinging about the fate of “the whites” in South Africa. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/47 "2018-09-22T23:53:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Then don’t ask. > > If you find yourself getting into arguments about Trump everywhere you, you might think about who is present, everywhere you go. > > Regards, > Shodan Stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say or imply that I get into arguments about trump everywhere I go? Show me. And if you would care to read this thread, I don’t ask, they shove it down your throat. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/48 "2018-09-23T00:11:13Z")
How easily do you get frustrated? The easier you can let stuff roll of your back, the easier it will be. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/49 "2018-09-23T01:05:32Z")
Leaffan: > [@](#): > > Americans seem to be unique in wanting to discuss politics at family gatherings. Why? Perhaps it’s mainly the Americans you observe on this message board. Most Americans do not make a point of discussing politics constantly, but this message board definitely attracts folks who like to get into political discussions, as well as those who find it impossible to swallow their political feelings for the sake of a peaceful gathering. And it’s definitely not uniquely American. Israelis, in my experience, seem to constantly engage in political talk. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/50 "2018-09-23T01:52:49Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > How easily do you get frustrated? The easier you can let stuff roll of your back, the easier it will be. Oh, I’d say I’m middlin. I’m a programmer so tracing a bug is often the most frustrating thing that most people encounter. I do well to walk away from it and often find solutions when away from my desk. But, If I am cornered, and they insist on my opinion, well… That’s where I want a simple easy answer to perhaps bow out of a debate. And my thought is to simple say “do you think that trump is a good representative of the US” It they do, fine, I have nothing else to say. Folks, I’m not that worried about it. I handle such situations with aplomb. Anyway, rubber hits road tomorrow. My wife just bought a 2019 Subaru Ascent. Gonna be a good road car I think. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/51 "2018-09-23T01:55:51Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Leaffan: > > Perhaps it’s mainly the Americans you observe on this message board. Most Americans do not make a point of discussing politics constantly, but this message board definitely attracts folks who like to get into political discussions, as well as those who find it impossible to swallow their political feelings for the sake of a peaceful gathering. > > And it’s definitely not uniquely American. Israelis, in my experience, seem to constantly engage in political talk. And when you have a traitorous criminal moron for a president, that tends to up the water cooler talk. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/52 "2018-09-23T03:14:08Z")
If politics comes up, steer the conversation to the Texas senate race. EVERYBODY hates Ted Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/53 "2018-09-23T03:18:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Oh, I’d say I’m middlin. I’m a programmer so tracing a bug is often the most frustrating thing that most people encounter. I do well to walk away from it and often find solutions when away from my desk. > > But, If I am cornered, and they insist on my opinion, well… That’s where I want a simple easy answer to perhaps bow out of a debate. And my thought is to simple say “do you think that trump is a good representative of the US” It they do, fine, I have nothing else to say. > > Folks, I’m not that worried about it. I handle such situations with aplomb. > > Anyway, rubber hits road tomorrow. My wife just bought a 2019 Subaru Ascent. Gonna be a good road car I think. Drive safe, have a good trip, and let us know how it went. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/54 "2018-09-23T03:23:33Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well wait a second partner… > > Maybe they are not so bad? > > Consider - you need help moving. Your conservative brother in law has a big pickup truck and is always willing to lend a hand. > > Your liberal friends and relatives all drive Prius’s and always seem to be griping about the world. > > Who would you call if you needed help? What if he _doesn’t_ live in a world of right-wing stereotypes? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/55 "2018-09-23T07:23:18Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well wait a second partner… > > Maybe they are not so bad? > > Consider - you need help moving. Your conservative brother in law has a big pickup truck and is always willing to lend a hand. > > Your liberal friends and relatives all drive Prius’s and always seem to be griping about the world. > > Who would you call if you needed help? The anarchist pothead farmer/factory shift leader who enjoys bragging that he’s got the biggest Mercedes in the factory, of course.\* - It’s a Vito. Claims I was the first person to guess it right. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/56 "2018-09-23T08:09:32Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And when you have a traitorous criminal moron for a president… Gosh, I just can’t imagine why you get into arguments about Trump. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/57 "2018-09-23T08:10:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Gosh, I just can’t imagine why you get into arguments about Trump. > > Regards, > Shodan Truth hurts ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/58 "2018-09-23T13:55:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I see confusion like this from an unfamiliar Doper, and my reflex is to click Advanced Search. Here’s the first hit: > I guessed right! What do I win? 😛 The 12th annual Ad Hominem Attack Award. Brought to you by the makers of frosted flakes. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/59 "2018-09-23T19:21:57Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > The 12th annual Ad Hominem Attack Award. Brought to you by the makers of frosted flakes. I simply _quoted his own words_ and that is an ad hominem attack on him? Is yours just a parody of Republican “thought”? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712/60 "2018-09-23T19:37:45Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’m thinking another response could be “Do you feel that trump is a good representative of the values of America?” If the answer “yes”. I’m just going to have to stop the conversation right there with “we disagree”. To me, this sounds a little confrontational. Politics can be like religion. If someone has a particular belief, it will not be productive to try to change their viewpoint. Even challenging it in any way will likely lead to arguments. If you’re just trying to get through the weekend without drama, it would probably be better to say something more benign. For example, say “Everything so crazy. I’m taking a break from politics and haven’t really kept up.” But I’m guessing that no one will actually ask for your opinion. I think that the size of the gathering will work in your favor. I’m guessing the die-hard supporters will generally hang out together, so you can just avoid that group. And with so many people, no one is going to notice if you’re around much. They’ll just assume you’re off with some other people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dealing-with-family-that-supports-trump/821712.md?page=4)