# Dear Brother: Fuck Completely Off!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 26, 2004, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645 "2004-08-26T18:22:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/101 "2004-08-27T14:09:53Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > There is one lone jackass — a hand-wringing nutjob from the “It Takes A Village” school — who thinks that he knows how to raise other people’s kids better than they do themselves. If you had actually read the posts here, you would have found the ‘it takes a village’ school of thought most clearly laid out here: > [@jayjay](#): > > I think the worst thing that’s happened to this society is that we’ve become disconnected from the raising of each other’s children. Before, if you indulged your child’s every whim and let him/her run roughshod over your household because you were too lazy, too stupid, or too indifferent to enforce consequences and boundaries, the neighbors would at least help to keep the kids in line, even if it was just by being THERE, and not being afraid to yell at them when they were torturing puppies or uproot rosebushes or smoking in the alley. Now, most people are too afraid to get involved so that even if they ARE there and witnessing anti-social or psychotic behavior, they don’t say anything. There’s no mitigating circumstance to replace the lack of competent parenting. Accurately and nicely laid out. It’s too bad that sometimes you show a complete inability to think. Your attempt to slap with the Hillary-Clinton-liberal brush is misguided and ridiculous. That school of thought far predates her book. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/102 "2004-08-27T14:35:13Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > If you had actually read the posts here, you would have found the ‘it takes a village’ school of thought most clearly laid out here: > > Accurately and nicely laid out. It’s too bad that sometimes you show a complete inability to think. Your attempt to slap with the Hillary-Clinton-liberal brush is misguided and ridiculous. That school of thought far predates her book. Thanks. I was kind of taken aback by the slam at “it takes a village” because I thought for a second that **Lib** was criticizing MY post! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/103 "2004-08-27T15:17:59Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Accurately and nicely laid out. It’s too bad that sometimes you show a complete inability to think. Your attempt to slap with the Hillary-Clinton-liberal brush is misguided and ridiculous. That school of thought far predates her book. **Lib** was clearly referring to someone in particular and that someone isn’t **jayjay**. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/104 "2004-08-27T15:46:35Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > **Lib** was clearly referring to someone in particular and that someone isn’t **jayjay**. I know that. I know who he is referring to. He’s attempting to use a perfectly valid, perfectly useful school of thought as a slur. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/105 "2004-08-27T17:46:14Z")
Something about walking a mile in somebody’s shoes blah blah blah… Stuffy’s cool. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/106 "2004-08-27T18:02:07Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I know that. I know who he is referring to. He’s attempting to use a perfectly valid, perfectly useful school of thought as a slur. Looks to me like the emphasis was on “hand-wringing nutjob”. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/107 "2004-08-27T18:45:10Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > … my brother was telling a somewhat odd version of the truth. The car does indeed belong to his girlfriend, however he took the car after beating her up. So they’re still looking for him, he is the person actually known to have stolen the car. Hopefully this will be the “violent crime” needed to put him over the line in the three strikes law. I’m glad you’re son’s alright, and the charges against him are being dropped. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/108 "2004-08-27T18:57:00Z")
**Stuffy** , you SO remind me of my dad. He had six siblings, and only he and two of his sisters came out anything resembling normal, productive human beings. One of his sisters is a junkie who’s stolen my grandmother’s Social Security checks more than once, another is a deep-denial alcoholic married to a fellow DDA, another has a history of getting involved with seriously bad guys, and my uncle… My uncle is a petty criminal and sponge with absolutely no conscience whatsoever. He leeched off of my grandmother until the day she died. He hardly ever worked. He infuriated my father. The only thing that ever kept Dad from beating him into a bloody pulp was my grandmother (who was very like your mom on this subject, constantly coddling him and cleaning up after his messes), and after she died, my uncle’s studious avoidance of any contact whatsoever with my father. When Dad died three years ago, we were fairly sure that if his sister Mary or my uncle Bill showed up at the funeral home, he’d sit up in the casket and chase them out of the building… ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/109 "2004-08-27T20:05:15Z")
**Maureen** Hopefully, the fact that she called the police is a good start. **Jayjay** we’re fairing a little better. Only the older one has proved to be incorrigible. The rest of my brothers and my sister are starting to lead somewhat normal lives except Larry (we call him the crash test dummy) who goes through cars like normal people go through chips. The wedding was the last major incident other than yesterday involving the police. Of course my Sis is getting married next month, so stay tuned.😃 P.S. I was planning on posting some of the backstory I mentioned in the wedding thread this weekend, unless I get buried under work. P.P.S. My wife just left to pick up my stepson. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/110 "2004-08-27T20:05:31Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > I was planning to bake him a file cake if it came to that. Hey, I’m not in jail, but could you bake me one of those? I’ve always wanted one and plus, you know, it’s cake. > [@UrbanChick](#): > > poster child for people who seriously need to get the fuck over themselves Permission to steal this for future use? **Stuffy** , as someone who’s sister and brother-in-law are cops, it sounds like you handled the situation exactly right. Good luck with the DA! ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/111 "2004-08-27T20:13:36Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > P.P.S. My wife just left to pick up my stepson. Thanks for the update. Was getting a little concerned here. Is he completely clear, now? ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/112 "2004-08-27T20:21:10Z")
Sorry I could have been clearer, he called while i was previewing my last Post, yes he’s completely clear, though he may be involved in the investigation, if warranted. That’s not likely though as this is a violation of my brother parole. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/113 "2004-08-27T20:23:15Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > yes he’s completely clear good, that’s great ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/114 "2004-08-27T20:27:08Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > Sorry I could have been clearer, he called while i was previewing my last Post, yes he’s completely clear, though he may be involved in the investigation, if warranted. That’s not likely though as this is a violation of my brother parole. No need to apologize. You’ve had a hellish couple of days. Just glad to be clear, now. Again, my highest compliments for your restraint and patience dealing with the cops and officialdom. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/115 "2004-08-27T20:51:45Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > The wedding was the last major incident other than yesterday involving the police. Of course my Sis is getting married next month, so stay tuned.😃 I gotta hand it to you **Stuffy** , keeping a sense of humour through this incident. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2004, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/116 "2004-08-28T01:18:57Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Hey, I’m not in jail, but could you bake me one of those? I’ve always wanted one and plus, you know, it’s cake. Sure! Chocolate or vanilla? And if I could do ASCII, I’d make a virtual cake for StepStuffy. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/117 "2004-08-28T17:05:10Z")
Though it looks as if **lissener** has bailed out of this thread, I think it’s worth my two cents to say that a child’s “hour of greatest need” isn’t when he’s sitting in a jail cell wondering how he’s going to get bailed out. It’s when he’s standing in the five-and-dime wondering if he can stuff a whole case of Gummi Bears into his pants. Or when he’s with a group of friends who are trying to convince him to break into a house. Or when his girlfriend really wants him to drive her somewhere and there’s a car nearby that’s _sooo-ooo_ tempting. _Or_, I might add, when he’s being arrested for a crime he didn’t commit. You’ll notice, **lissener** , that **Stuffy** was there for him then. He gave his son good advice and cooperated with the police and volunteered information on the person he believed truly responsible. That was his stepson’s “hour of greatest need,” a time when Stuffy could have assumed the worst and left his stepson to the cops, an act that would have changed StepStuffy’s whole life. But he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2004, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/118 "2004-08-28T17:32:37Z")
**Stuffy** , I wish you and your family (except the asshole brother, of course) the best. ---
**Author:** ![cedric45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@cedric45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cedric45)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645/119 "2004-08-30T16:29:17Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > If you had actually read the posts here, you would have found the ‘it takes a village’ school of thought most clearly laid out here: > > Accurately and nicely laid out. It’s too bad that sometimes you show a complete inability to think. Your attempt to slap with the Hillary-Clinton-liberal brush is misguided and ridiculous. That school of thought far predates her book. I have often wondered… if it really DOES take a village, who is the village idiot? Bill? Socks? Buddy? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-brother-fuck-completely-off/261645.md?page=5)