# Dear CitizenPained **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362 "2012-02-01T00:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/61 "2012-02-02T01:17:41Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Well, she’s cocky enough to tell me I’m an appalling teacher because I don’t do what she learned to do in Education classes, but too young to realize that good teachers have to reject all that stuff. She’s insecure enough that she bends over backwards to “see the other side” about the older guy that knocked her up at 19 and then said “I can’t handle this, I’ll send money”, but young and brash enough to think that she can take on single motherhood by herself. It just strikes me as authentic. I wouldn’t say that she is a totally false persona, per se. Like you, I see some authenticity in her. But I think she does more than just embellish. I think some of the things that have allegedly happened to her are stretched way, way, _ **way** _ beyond credible. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/62 "2012-02-02T01:24:22Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > I wouldn’t say that she is a totally false persona, per se. Like you, I see some authenticity in her. But I think she does more than just embellish. I think some of the things that have allegedly happened to her are stretched way, way, _ **way** _ beyond credible. Isn’t there some kind of personality disorder that includes pathological lying? ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/63 "2012-02-02T01:29:15Z")
> [@florez](#): > > Isn’t there some kind of personality disorder that includes pathological lying? Histrionic, narcissistic, borderline, anti-social; all the best ones. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/64 "2012-02-02T01:44:32Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Histrionic, narcissistic, borderline, anti-social; all the best ones. Yep, the Cluster B disorders. Some of our “best” posters fall into this continuum. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/65 "2012-02-02T01:58:13Z")
I’m glad I don’t have to feel bad for ignoring her now. I bought the mobster dad. I thought she was an idiot re: the chlamydic boyfriend, but I made extra super carefully sure not to call her an idiot (even though I was thinking it loudly). I never read about the teaching or donation-soliciting until now, and that’s enough for me to call it a day. No more, CitizenPained. You’re either the most helpless, unlucky, tragic character in the history of the world, or a figment of your own imagination. Either way, it’s not my problem anymore. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/66 "2012-02-02T03:00:37Z")
I’m glad **MandaJo** posted, because now I don’t have to be afraid of not joining the pile-on. 🙂 I think she’s made the mistake that a lot of people make when they start coming here. Posting TMI about yourself. There are some people who post TMI and there are some people who lap up TMI. The two feed each other. Sometimes its unhealthy, but sometimes it helps those who are lonely. And I think **CitizenPained** is very lonely. I think she’s real. I don’t think she has lied. I think she’s awfully young for her age, which means she may post without getting the facts right. And sometimes she doesn’t argue very well and tries to save face instead of admitting she’s wrong. But those are signs of immaturity rather than real maliciousness. And yeah, I find the “voice” she gives her students to be a little precious, but I think they are real. Sometimes she’s righteous and sometimes she’s not. Just like most posters, except in a more dramatic way. If she were more consistent that would actually make me more suspicious. People who are playing a role tend to stick to it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/67 "2012-02-02T04:36:26Z")
She’s been on my radar as an idiot since the assless chaps thread. See, gay pride parades have destroyed gay rights in this country. With assless chaps. I’m not sure how it all works, but who could doubt a proof that involves assless chaps? No assed chaps, though. Those are pants. And pants don’t prove anything. ---
**Author:** ![flatlined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb9ed0/32.png) [@flatlined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flatlined)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/68 "2012-02-02T04:40:23Z")
confused. I sure miss a lot…what is wrong with assless chaps? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/69 "2012-02-02T04:42:57Z")
> [@flatlined](#): > > confused. I sure miss a lot…what is wrong with assless chaps? They prove that the gays are reprobates. I think. I got a little confused, what with trying to figure out other kinds of chaps. Like old chaps, and dear chaps, but not deer chaps. That’s cruel. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/70 "2012-02-02T04:51:50Z")
All chaps are assless. Chaps are a leg covering. If she had said a bunch of guys parading around in public with their asses hanging out makes them look stupid, then she might have had a point. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/71 "2012-02-02T05:00:06Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > All chaps are assless. Chaps are a leg covering. If she had said a bunch of guys parading around in public with their asses hanging out makes them look stupid, then she might have had a point. Not if the guys had great asses. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/72 "2012-02-02T05:11:36Z")
> [@florez](#): > > Not if the guys had great asses. No. You may enjoy looking at them, but it most certainly makes them look less than geniuses. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/73 "2012-02-02T05:21:02Z")
I can not find it. CP was speaking out that gay rights and gay pride was being derailed by assless chaps at the parades? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/74 "2012-02-02T06:36:42Z")
> [@florez](#): > > I can not find it. CP was speaking out that gay rights and gay pride was being derailed by assless chaps at the parades? [More or less](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=609409). As far as I can tell there should be no gay pride events because it upsets the homophobes and then they’ll never allow same-sex marriage. > [@New poll: Majority of Americans support legalising gay marriage](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-poll-majority-of-americans-support-legalising-gay-marriage/582736/40): > > I’m pretty sure that if you pair gay pride + same-sex marriage, you get an unhappy union. And now thanks to this thread I have ‘assless chaps’ in my search history. Great. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/75 "2012-02-02T07:02:01Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > [More or less](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=609409). As far as I can tell there should be no gay pride events because it upsets the homophobes and then they’ll never allow same-sex marriage. Also, gay pride parades are insufficiently child friendly. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/76 "2012-02-02T07:39:13Z")
I remember getting beads and walking down the gay pride parade as a 7 year old chanting, “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!” Very family friendly IMO. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/77 "2012-02-02T07:54:50Z")
I recall attending gay pride parades in San Diego Hillcrest every year with my little daughter, and alot of children were there along the parade route with their parents. It was so much fun, and we all joined up at the park afterward for food and music. I agree that it was family friendly. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/78 "2012-02-02T08:09:56Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I remember getting beads and walking down the gay pride parade as a 7 year old chanting, “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!” Very family friendly IMO. Is it just me wondering what \*kind \*of beads the 7 year old you was innocently playing with? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/79 "2012-02-02T09:13:36Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I remember getting beads and walking down the gay pride parade as a 7 year old chanting, “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!” Very family friendly IMO. Hey, it ain’t _my_ argument. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/80 "2012-02-02T10:29:12Z")
I understood you weren’t making it, I was just pointing out that it’s not a good one. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362.md?page=5)