# Dear CitizenPained **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362 "2012-02-01T00:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/81 "2012-02-02T16:39:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Also, gay pride parades are insufficiently child friendly. That’s a point in their favour as far as I’m concerned. I need to go to more Gay Pride Parades. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/82 "2012-02-02T16:46:22Z")
> [@rachelellogram](#): > > I’m glad I don’t have to feel bad for ignoring her now. I bought the mobster dad. I thought she was an idiot re: the chlamydic boyfriend, but I made extra super carefully sure not to call her an idiot (even though I was thinking it loudly). > > I never read about the teaching or donation-soliciting until now, and that’s enough for me to call it a day. No more, CitizenPained. You’re either the most helpless, unlucky, tragic character in the history of the world, or a figment of your own imagination. Either way, it’s not my problem anymore. Don’t forget about the epilepsy. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/83 "2012-02-02T18:47:30Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I’m glad **MandaJo** posted, because now I don’t have to be afraid of not joining the pile-on. 🙂 > > I think she’s made the mistake that a lot of people make when they start coming here. Posting TMI about yourself. There are some people who post TMI and there are some people who lap up TMI. The two feed each other. Sometimes its unhealthy, but sometimes it helps those who are lonely. And I think **CitizenPained** is very lonely. > > I think she’s real. I don’t think she has lied. I think she’s awfully young for her age, which means she may post without getting the facts right. And sometimes she doesn’t argue very well and tries to save face instead of admitting she’s wrong. But those are signs of immaturity rather than real maliciousness. And yeah, I find the “voice” she gives her students to be a little precious, but I think they are real. > > Sometimes she’s righteous and sometimes she’s not. Just like most posters, except in a more dramatic way. If she were more consistent that would actually make me more suspicious. People who are playing a role tend to stick to it. See, I go back and forth with this mindset and then the other - I mean, the dad thing is a bit tough to swallow, but then obviously people do _do_ that. The ectopic baby daddy thing I’ve seen way, way too many people do in real life, on the other hand. I just don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/84 "2012-02-02T19:03:53Z")
She often comes across as consciously telling a story. For example, in the “daddy’s a con-man” thread. One of the later posts has her saying that her father has just informed her stepmother that he’s taken out a loan on her car: > [@](#): > > So today…she tells me he took a loan out against her Lexus. A $30,000 loan. Without her permission. Several months ago. “Forgot” to tell her. He must’ve forged something? So now she’s even more scared - what if he doesn’t pay it back? If she makes him mad, will he stop paying things? I think that’s why he told her today…it makes her more anxious. The last sentence there especially, it just doesn’t feel real to me, more like “OK, what’s my villain’s motivation here – oh right, just to torture the ex-wife. Ok, put that in.” I’ll feel like an ass if it turns out I’m wrong here, but she’s really reminding me of people I’ve seen before – the worst one wound up faking her own death from pneumonia after an ever-escalating series of borderline-implausible, attention-getting stories. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/85 "2012-02-02T23:03:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Also, gay pride parades are insufficiently child friendly. And everything that ever happens should be appropriate for her 6 year old to attend. So no Mardi Gras either, from what I understand. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/86 "2012-02-02T23:30:47Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > And everything that ever happens should be appropriate for her 6 year old to attend. So no Mardi Gras either, from what I understand. That right New Orleans Mari Gras, an assless chaps bonanza! ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/87 "2012-02-02T23:46:46Z")
Granted, I haven’t been following her thread about her dad much, but I’ve communicated by email with **CP** several times, and she seems pretty real and normal to me. Nothing she has said there or on the board, for that matter, has ever pinged my bs meter, so I really can’t say what the OP is on about. It does seem odd that she’s been pitted for vague suspicions, though. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/88 "2012-02-03T00:52:03Z")
Con artists are real people who act normal, just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/89 "2012-02-03T15:00:40Z")
> [@markm](#): > > Why I think CP is either a troll or just full-on delusional, a sort of timeline: > > 1. unprotected sex with her long-term BF, oh wait, we’d been broken up for quite a period then he comes back into my life, and he cheated on me during the time we weren’t dating > > 2. he gave me chlamydia, or he didn’t, I’m going to say he did, even though I haven’t had time for tests to show it, oh now that it’s been long enough for tests to prove or disprove, I’ll be cryptic about it > > 3. OMG, this one single time of unprotected sex gave me chlamydia AND I’m pregnant! It’s an ectopic pregnancy! My life is in danger! lulz, time to go out drinking, but I might want to keep the baby, even though it’s ectopic and so nearly impossible to do so, so maybe I won’t drink. > > 4. Oh, okay, I’m having the abortion, so I can drink now! Woot! I’m getting a puppy! Yay me! Oh, maybe I’ll keep the baby anyway. Still ectopic, you know, even though the doctors don’t seem to think it’s a big issue. Having a baby do its impersonation of the dinner scene of Alien with my Fallopian tube ain’t no thang. > > 5. My mother was a tailor, sewed my new blue jeans… My daddy was a gambling man… Wait, that’s a song, not my life. Dad is a con man, though. For reals. Also, he’s owned/started tons of legit companies, and he’s super duper rich. For realz, yo. Oh, and ectopic baby daddy (EBD) is a super gambler, always winning the moneys. > > 6. EBD is def giving me the puppy, plus $3,000! Yay! > > 7. Dad scammed my step mom. He’s moved more money around in a month than most banks allow in a year, and hasn’t had to file any of the paperwork that can get a bank shut down if they don’t file, and now she’s broke. > > 8. I’m broke, too. ☹ I have no money. My son (oh, yeah, I have a son, did I forget to mention him in all this) is in an expensive academy, and no way I’ll pull him out of that, but I can’t afford anything. > > 9. wink, wink, nudge, nudge If a person, say, a teacher, wanted to beg for money on the board, what would be the proper way of going about getting that permission. I’ll just ask it publicly, instead of in PM or email, so that if I’m told no, people still know I need money, so they might contact me privately and give out of the goodness of their own hearts. > > 10. k,thnx, byebye You are now my favorite poster. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/90 "2012-02-03T15:42:14Z")
I think it offends me more that she used the word “romantical” and claims to be a teacher. It was sort of the depressing feeling I had when I found out **ZPG Zealot** was a librarian. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/91 "2012-02-03T17:22:56Z")
> [@markm](#): > > 1. wink, wink, nudge, nudge If a person, say, a teacher, wanted to beg for money on the board, what would be the proper way of going about getting that permission. I’ll just ask it publicly, instead of in PM or email, so that if I’m told no, people still know I need money, so they might contact me privately and give out of the goodness of their own hearts. Maybe I’m old school, but shouldn’t asking strangers on the internet for money involve a live webcam feed and removing articles of clothing? > [@monstro](#): > > I think she’s made the mistake that a lot of people make when they start coming here. Posting TMI about yourself. There are some people who post TMI and there are some people who lap up TMI. The two feed each other. Sometimes its unhealthy, but sometimes it helps those who are lonely. And I think **CitizenPained** is very lonely. And sometimes they are just liars. Liars overshare because they think that the more details they give, the more believable their story will be. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > She’s been on my radar as an idiot since the assless chaps thread. She’s been on my ignore list since around then, the bigoted religious-right nonsense she was spouting in every thread she posted in, while claiming to be socially liberal, meant she was either a troll or completely deluded. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/92 "2012-02-03T17:56:03Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > Maybe I’m old school, but shouldn’t asking strangers on the internet for money involve a live webcam feed and removing articles of clothing? PLEASE don’t give her any more ideas. We’ll be treated to the saga of her meeting some skeevy person via webcam, getting fired from her job as Louanne Johnson in “Dangerous Minds,” and an ongoing discussion of how lesbians shouldn’t watch her, only straight men with gambling money. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/93 "2012-02-03T19:57:42Z")
I just find it odd that a person who is a teacher would leave such a blazing trail of all their personal drama that is linked to their real life information, on the internet, for anyone to see. Serious lack of judgment and maturity. Isn’t there any concern on her part that students, their parents, her parents, potential suitors and potential employers will see all the TMI and drama? If I were her, I would ask the mods for a name change. ---
**Author:** ![markm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@markm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markm)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/94 "2012-02-03T20:06:21Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Isn’t there any concern on her part that students, their parents… will see all the TMI and drama? > > . No, silly. The little brown people are too stupid and poor to use the internet. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/95 "2012-02-03T20:45:04Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > If I were her, I would ask the mods for a name change. But the name sez it all:p ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/96 "2012-02-03T20:58:58Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > Oh, I know that it happens. I just don’t think it happened to the person who started [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=627419) or [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=633737). I hadn’t read the first thread before. It is interesting because in it she says: > [@Dear Parents of my Students: It's Your Fault. (F that 'sensitivy training'!)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-parents-of-my-students-its-your-fault-f-that-sensitivy-training/599253/61): > > Today I fed a student. Again. The drawback about kids coming to our center (for expelled kiddos) is that we don’t feed them. While here she says: > [@I pit people who riot over a pair of sneakers.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-riot-over-a-pair-of-sneakers/607280/149): > > Most of the kids who are on free and reduced lunch in my school have more than one pair. (She’s referring to pairs of Jordans.) ---
**Author:** ![florez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9e5f3/32.png) [@florez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/florez)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/97 "2012-02-05T01:00:46Z")
do you know what I take offense to? The idea that because someone is gay they need to support transgendered (one hot mess of a tranny!) or that because someone is Latino they should be understanding of blacks and such compartmentalization. C.P. QUOTE It sure is great to know that C.P. takes offense at any sign of solidarity within the minority and LGBT communities, because as an educator, she must know how much better it is to have people at each others throats. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/98 "2012-02-10T04:38:32Z")
i feel for the dopers who have been sending her money/care packages and whatever. those of you who have done that have good hearts and are wonderful people, but you’re being played. her situation gets worse every time she makes a new post and the holes in her story just keep getting bigger. i’m 110% convinced she’s a con artist. whether there is any truth at all to the story she’s telling, or if it’s a complete fabrication i don’t know, but she’s trolling for sympathy/money. don’t feed her. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/99 "2012-02-10T04:54:39Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > i feel for the dopers who have been sending her money/care packages and whatever. those of you who have done that have good hearts and are wonderful people, but you’re being played. her situation gets worse every time she makes a new post and the holes in her story just keep getting bigger. i’m 110% convinced she’s a con artist. whether there is any truth at all to the story she’s telling, or if it’s a complete fabrication i don’t know, but she’s trolling for sympathy/money. don’t feed her. Unfortunately, there are Dopers who’ve genuinely been in troubled situations, and have received a lot of assistance from other Dopers with good hearts. That makes the culture of the Dope ripe for con artists to come in and scam for money or gifts or other forms of support. This particular case is such an example. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Freakin_Back_Is_Killing_Me)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/100 "2012-02-10T05:14:53Z")
As more and more crazy keeps pouring out of CitizenPained, the more shocked I am that someone who claims to be a teacher, and who is so worried about losing her job (Cuz you know she is sooo super broke…if you have any donations you’d like to make…kthnxbai!), would link her UN with her IRL name, making it super easy for her current employers, future employers, students, friends and family to find all this shit. It blows my mind. But then I think maybe someone who is in a position to help her will run across these posts and have her committed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362.md?page=6)