# Dear CitizenPained **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362 "2012-02-01T00:19:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/121 "2012-02-10T15:45:46Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > [More or less](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=609409)… And now thanks to this thread I have ‘assless chaps’ in my search history. Great. When my wife noticed that, I just replied with “I say, m’lady, I’ve been a mite perturbed by chaps who act a bit of an ass, what? So after a bit of cogitation and some kippers, I decided I’d just pop round to the old Google and ring them up, perhaps take a gander at what a chap might be like that wasn’t a complete ass. And bingo. Bob’s your uncle, what?” She totally bought it. But now she thinks I’m British, and I’m getting really tired of putting on the accent (and that confounded bowler hat!) before I walk in the door. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/122 "2012-02-10T16:04:14Z")
with the numerous casual references she makes to prescription drugs like vicodin and dilaudid, not to mention the “joking” reference in the anxiety thread to just using heroin to treat it, along with the mention of taking klonopin with wine, and the constant threats to become a functional alcoholic, i’m starting to wonder if she’s trolling for drug/booze money, cause she sounds more and more like an addict. ---
**Author:** ![nikonikosuru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@nikonikosuru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nikonikosuru)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/123 "2012-02-10T17:12:27Z")
Echoing what Hello Again said, when I didn’t have health insurance, I was able to work out a payment for $50 a session, too. Either she is lying, or just incredibly lazy and not trying hard enough to dig a little deeper and find something better. You would think that anyone with a smidge of real world experience -especially a person who claims to be a teacher- would know how to go about researching things like this. Oh, not to mention that in the anxiety thread she claims that her son got a scholarship to whatever school he’s in but in the STD thread she’s claiming that the ex was paying his tuition…wtf? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/124 "2012-02-10T18:07:14Z")
I haven’t done clinical work in a while, but I wouldn’t charge $250 an hour and didn’t (and don’t) know anyone who charges that much. And even if there are therapists out there charging that much, Denver isn’t a one-therapist town by any stretch of the imagination. **CP** strikes me as someone who’s either a sympathy troll or who’s completely incapable of interacting with life on an adult level. The stories that she’s told about herself and her life don’t add up. The pregnancy story (with all of it’s dysfunctional detail) is just one example - that whole thing scans like someone who’s read about unplanned pregnancies on the web. The rest of it is out of a John Grisham novel. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/125 "2012-02-10T18:35:52Z")
The thing that makes me think she is making almost everything about herself up, is the fact that we are roughly the same age, but she comes across as about as mature as I was when I was around 14ish. Yet, she has a kid to look after and I don’t even have a pet. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/126 "2012-02-10T18:36:54Z")
> [@Alice\_The\_Goon](#): > > Granted, I haven’t been following her thread about her dad much, but I’ve communicated by email with **CP** several times, and she seems pretty real and normal to me. Nothing she has said there or on the board, for that matter, has ever pinged my bs meter, so I really can’t say what the OP is on about. It does seem odd that she’s been pitted for vague suspicions, though. Then explain how her agoraphobic boyfriend can participate in high risk behaviors. As an agoraphobe myself, that’s the end. And I’m normally the guy who says we should take other posters at their word. Only one other poster has taken me to this point, and that was **Cesario**. All the other inconsistencies also could use explanations. This isn’t insinuations. This is a sign that someone can’t keep their stories straight. That doesn’t happen when you are telling the truth. And to think she was, before this, my first Doper crush. ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/127 "2012-02-10T18:37:06Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Maybe she’s a Texan teacher What is _ **that** _ supposed to mean? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/128 "2012-02-10T18:45:33Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > The latest is she has to pay $250 per session for therapy. That is bullshit. When I was fully employed, but my health insurance did not cover mental health, I paid $50 a session, rack rate for a VERY experienced and helpful MSW counsellor… > [@nikonikosuru](#): > > Echoing what Hello Again said, when I didn’t have health insurance, I was able to work out a payment for $50 a session, too. Either she is lying, or just incredibly lazy and not trying hard enough to dig a little deeper and find something better… > [@Kolga](#): > > I haven’t done clinical work in a while, but I wouldn’t charge $250 an hour and didn’t (and don’t) know anyone who charges that much. And even if there are therapists out there charging that much, Denver isn’t a one-therapist town by any stretch of the imagination… CP states quite clearly in that statement that she needs meds. Those must be prescribed by **actual psychiatrists** in most states under most circumstances, who do indeed charge a great deal more than MSW counselors or therapists. $250/hr is within a normal range for a psychiatrist. > [@nikonikosuru](#): > > Oh, not to mention that in the anxiety thread she claims that her son got a scholarship to whatever school he’s in but in the STD thread she’s claiming that the ex was paying his tuition…wtf? “Scholarship” doesn’t necessarily mean “full scholarship”. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/129 "2012-02-10T18:52:40Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > CP states quite clearly in that statement that she needs meds. Those must be prescribed by **actual psychiatrists** in most states under most circumstances, who do indeed charge a great deal more than MSW counselors or therapists. $250/hr is within a normal range for a psychiatrist. But she doesn’t describe her therapist as a psychiatrist, she describes him as a therapist. Now, some psychiatrists do therapy in addition to prescribing medications. But she could save significant amounts of money by consulting with a psychiatrist for meds (or have the prescription transferred over to a general practitioner once the medication consult is done) and seeing a psychologist or master’s level therapist. But in order to do that, she’d have to actually, you know, understand how the world works and make some telephone calls and other adult stuff. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/130 "2012-02-10T18:53:52Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And to think she was, before this, my first Doper crush. Go on **T** , stick your dick in the crazy. ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/131 "2012-02-10T18:57:55Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > with the numerous casual references she makes to prescription drugs like vicodin and dilaudid, not to mention the “joking” reference in the anxiety thread to just using heroin to treat it, along with the mention of taking klonopin with wine, and the constant threats to become a functional alcoholic, i’m starting to wonder if she’s trolling for drug/booze money, cause she sounds more and more like an addict. Hmmm… Y’know, that doesn’t sound all _ **that** _ farfetched and implausible. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/132 "2012-02-10T18:59:59Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > CP states quite clearly in that statement that she needs meds. Those must be prescribed by **actual psychiatrists**. No, they must be prescribed by an **actual doctor**. Hell even a dentist can write a prescription for Xanax. She does state quite clearly that she needs meds. She seems very very sure that she needs “meds” such as klonopin, vicodin, and dilaudid (and maybe heroin) but how does she know she needs meds? Does she have a diagnosis? If so, why can’t her GP write the prescription? If she has a prior relationship in good faith with a psychiatrist and a particular course of medications, why won’t he give her a prescription renewal over the phone? IMHO, she either has no diagnosis or her psychiatrist is suspicious of her motives and wants to see her personally. Or maybe her GP decided to stop being her klonopin hookup and she figures $250 is what you pay a guy to look the other way. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/133 "2012-02-10T19:05:03Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Denver isn’t a one-therapist town by any stretch of the imagination. OK, now I am picturing 2 ladies in twinsets and sensible shoes squaring off. _ **This town ain’t big enough for the both of us. Let us noviolently process a solution to this.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/134 "2012-02-10T19:08:49Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > OK, now I am picturing 2 ladies in twinsets and sensible shoes squaring off. _ **This town ain’t big enough for the both of us. Let us noviolently process a solution to this.** _ And then the eye-gouging and hair-pulling starts (I imagine therapists fight dirty). ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/135 "2012-02-10T19:15:36Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > And then the eye-gouging and hair-pulling starts (I imagine therapists fight dirty). They do. They’ll start asking you about your mother’s breastfeeding habits. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/136 "2012-02-10T19:34:52Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > No, they must be prescribed by an **actual doctor**. Hell even a dentist can write a prescription for Xanax. > > She does state quite clearly that she needs meds. She seems very very sure that she needs “meds” such as klonopin, vicodin, and dilaudid (and maybe heroin) but how does she know she needs meds? Does she have a diagnosis? If so, why can’t her GP write the prescription? If she has a prior relationship in good faith with a psychiatrist and a particular course of medications, why won’t he give her a prescription renewal over the phone? > > IMHO, she either has no diagnosis or her psychiatrist is suspicious of her motives and wants to see her personally. Or maybe her GP decided to stop being her klonopin hookup and she figures $250 is what you pay a guy to look the other way. At her level of self-described mental disorders, yes, she needs a psychiatrist to diagnose and prescribe and balance and monitor and adjust. The lower-level therapist can do the weekly stuff, but getting the meds right can be a terrifically difficult process, and entails numerous sessions to determine how the patient is responding. To even consider that a GP deal with prescribing for mental issues like suicidal tendencies is ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/137 "2012-02-10T19:46:35Z")
mm-hm. If you say so. Since I don’t think her son or her little ectopic baby or agoraphobic, prostitute-seeing, chlamydia-bearing ex, or her sassy black students (who totally consider her black) exist, it doesn’t worry me. ---
**Author:** ![spankthecrumpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@spankthecrumpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spankthecrumpet)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/138 "2012-02-10T19:48:54Z")
Sorry to sound a bit dim, but where is this thread you are all talking about? ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/139 "2012-02-10T20:03:36Z")
> [@spankthecrumpet](#): > > Sorry to sound a bit dim, but where is this thread you are all talking about? It’s right [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14706308#post14706308). ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362/140 "2012-02-10T20:04:22Z")
If post a medical bill with my name blacked out, it’s forged. If I post a family photo, it’s fake. (I guess the photo I posted last Passover was fake, too?) If I gave my work email address (hello, a school), it’s stupid. If I give my real name, it’s also stupid. If I do \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, no one would believe me anyway. Dopers could come in here and say, “I actually took her to the clinic” and you would call me a liar or find something else. I could take a snapshot of a medical record diagnosing me as epileptic and you wouldn’t believe me. I could take a snapshot of my bank account and it would be still a lie. I could post a picture of me at PP today with a “FUCK YOU, DOPERS!” sign and then it would be something else. It doesn’t matter. Nothing in this thread is about wanting to know the truth. It’s just a roast. That’s why I wasn’t participating. If anyone sincerely had concerns, they’d just PM me and ask. And that’s fine. But since no one here, including the ones pretending to give a shit in the other thread, has done so, this thread is clearly for your enjoyment. I know it feels really nice to be a big internet badass, but it’s not flattering. I don’t care what you think about me, but if you are going to call me a liar, maybe you all should do your homework. I don’t give conflicting info. The date of my last period was Dec. 18. Not everyone ovulates the same. Any adult female knows that. People get an earned income tax credit for working with a child, hence a large ‘return’ (which I’ve called a nice gift, thanks government) for a person who made just under $10k. A fucking counselor does not prescribe meds. Use your Google if you don’t know those things. And people who have developed long relationships with a psychotherapist/MD tend to want to go back to that person because there’s a history, even if it does run $250. Finally, quit with the con artist shit. I have never received a penny from a Doper, but I’ve given it when I had it. I’m obviously a very sensitive person and maybe I shouldn’t be generous sometimes, but I have a great deal of empathy for people – especially those with families. Maybe it feels nice to make fun of people who have mental health issues. Maybe it makes you feel good to put down someone’s parenting. Maybe it’s nice to say, “I hope her kid gets taken away”. For what? What did I do to you? Really? There’s a real live person on the other end of your computer. I may not participate, but I’m not blind, and that’s why this thread has gone on so long. Well, you finally got a response. The Dope is supposed to be full of well-educated folk that act a shade better than high schoolers. I’m 26. I own up to my issues. I’m fucked up and sad all the time. But how old are some of you? Ten? And that’s pretty much my .02. Continue as needed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-citizenpained/611362.md?page=8)