# Dear Cynic a'la Diogenes \[why one woman is voting for McCain\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845 "2008-09-14T04:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/101 "2008-09-16T19:14:21Z")
So a person who has nothing to do with the campaign ,writes an opinion , and Obama is responsible. Yet Palin lies about the bridge to nowhere over and over. That does not bother you. You were voting Repub any way. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/102 "2008-09-16T19:28:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What “vicious, liberal media attack dogs” do you imagine attacked Hillary? > > . Well, right here on these boards, there were quite a few hate-filled pitbulls that attacked Hillary over and over and over and over and over… And personally, that level of hatred by supposed “Dems” also got me angry at many of the self-professed Obama-ites here. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/103 "2008-09-16T19:30:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, right here on these boards, there were quite a few hate-filled pitbulls that attacked Hillary over and over and over and over and over… Wow Dio, I didn’t know you were a member of the media. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/104 "2008-09-16T19:39:30Z")
Not only am I not in the media, I wan’t even one of the people here who ever attacked Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/105 "2008-09-16T20:01:28Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I think that it was a coldly calculated political decision designed to pander to the rabidly pro-choice crowd. I don’t think Obama is pro-infanticide. He did however, with that vote, **support it to my definition** (bolding mine) Here is the problem. You are dealing with opinion. Not law or even fact. A rather misplaced approach in Great Debates, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/106 "2008-09-16T20:01:57Z")
> [@pinkyvee](#): > > as you wish > > confused doesn’t even begin … There would be a lot less confusion if you would attempt to express complete thoughts. Punctuation would be a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/107 "2008-09-16T20:02:30Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I think that it was a coldly calculated political decision designed to pander to the rabidly pro-choice crowd. I don’t think Obama is pro-infanticide. He did however, with that vote, support it to my definition, and I personally feel that that was a repugnant and unconscionable act, no matter how badly he wanted some group’s support. Just to clarify, you believe Obama’s vote was a pander to his baby killing constituents? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/108 "2008-09-16T20:04:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, right here on these boards, there were quite a few hate-filled pitbulls that attacked Hillary over and over and over and over and over… > > And personally, that level of hatred by supposed “Dems” also got me angry at many of the self-professed Obama-ites here. **ElvisL1ves** was never so reviled here as when he didn’t get on board the Obama train. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/109 "2008-09-16T20:14:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > **ElvisL1ves** was never so reviled here as when he didn’t get on board the Obama train. That’s crap. He was reviled for putting forth unfounded, unsupported arguments that he was incapable of defending with facts, and for covering his eyes and going “la la la, I caaaaan’t seeeee you,” when confronted with facts that disputed his claims. But good try, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/110 "2008-09-16T22:09:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’ve moved several dozen posts out of **Sam Stone** ’s “[Democrats, listen up if you’d like to win the election.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=482747&page=3)” thread and into this one because I decided there was absolutely no way to follow the conversation between **Diogenes** , **pinkyvee** and a few other posters without seeing them. Those posts didn’t have much to do with **Sam** ’s original topic anyway, so now they’re all in here. The original OP by **pinkyvee** is now post #34. I realize this is confusing but I decided it’s less confusing than the alternative. Well, I guess that explains why there are so many responses to **RTFirefly** on page 1, even though he hasn’t posted to this thread. I wonder what the alternative was? Seriously, **Marley23** , thanks for that note. I was beginning to think Rufus had been disappeared. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/111 "2008-09-16T22:30:58Z")
> [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > I think you’re immature and childish. You are completely being played for a fool. I have no animus against you and I have not previously considered you anything other than one of our frequenrt **GD** participants, but you were Warned, three days ago, for personal insults in **GD** and you’re back here doing it again, today. This is a Warning that you are pushing your luck and endangering your posting privileges. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/112 "2008-09-16T22:43:25Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > [Quote=Bricker] > ElvisL1ves was never so reviled here as when he didn’t get on board the Obama train. That’s crap. He was reviled for putting forth unfounded, unsupported arguments that he was incapable of defending with facts, and for covering his eyes and going “la la la, I caaaaan’t seeeee you,” when confronted with facts that disputed his claims. [/QUOTE] I doubt that I would characterize the anger directed toward **ElvisL1ves** in the same manner that **Shayna** has done here, but I would note that I saw a lot of anger directed toward him because of the angry manner in which he posted, not due to his failure to support Obama. From my perspective, it appeared to be a lot of passionate posters letting their emotions run wild that had nothing to do with any particular poster or candidate. At any rate, I think that allowing the loudest supporters of any candidate to determine one’s vote is rather stupid. Each side is capable of finding supporters who are just nasty and for anyone who declines to vote for a candidate with some nasty supporters, the ONLY legitimate response is to decline to vote, otherwise one is simply using opposition to some supporters as camouflage for one’s own bad choices. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/113 "2008-09-16T22:45:17Z")
> [@pinkyvee](#): > > anti-choice - anti abortion yes - not anti choice You can’t be “not anti choice” and aid and abet four more years of a Republican White House. Two or three of the oldest, more liberal Supremes are bound to retire and need replacing. If McCain and Palin are in there, we will likely end up with anti-choice conservative justices, and Roe v. Wade will be overturned. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/114 "2008-09-16T22:46:03Z")
This thread is like GD-meets-MPSIMS-meets-EMO (at least the attempted “debate” between \*\*Dio \*\*and **pinkyvee** ) ---
**Author:** ![Man\_from\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Man\_from\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_from_Mars)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/115 "2008-09-16T22:59:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I don’t buy that the Dems are losing any disenfranchised female voters. Support your premise, please. > > I also don’t buy that you’re a Democrat. Sorry. > > You also don’t know what “strawman” means. I agree. I’ve noticed a lot of messages on various blogs from similar “Democratic women” who claim disgust at Obama/the liberal media/mistreatment of Hillary that they will vote for McCain. I suppose these “Democratic women” are trying to make it appear that most women in their right minds are truly doing such a thing, ignoring Hillary’s plea from her own mouth to vote for Obama, and changing to the other side. It’s supposed to frighten the liberals, to make them feel that they really have been mean or misogynistic. When a person says that she (or he) was fired up by Palin’s speech when all it was was deregotary insult and claiming that the Dems are being mean and derisive, I can’t really take the person at their word. If this person was ever a Democrat, then I’m Batman. ---
**Author:** ![pinkyvee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6de8d8/32.png) [@pinkyvee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkyvee)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/116 "2008-09-16T23:11:34Z")
> [@Tony](#): > > claim disgust at Obama I never made this claim. Pinky ---
**Author:** ![pinkyvee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6de8d8/32.png) [@pinkyvee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkyvee)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/117 "2008-09-16T23:27:10Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I saw a lot of anger directed toward him because of the angry manner in which he posted, not due to his failure to support Obama. I have had a lot of anger directed toward me and I have never posted in anger. This anger can’t all be due to my annoying lack of punctuation (now corrected thanks to you-know-who)! Pinky ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/118 "2008-09-16T23:42:21Z")
If I understand this correctly, you’re not voting for Obama, even though you’re a Democrat, because of something Gloria did? That’s about as logical as coin flipping. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/119 "2008-09-17T00:52:17Z")
I was never really a fan of the Colbert Report, [but I’m coming around.](http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/184928/september-15-2008/the-word---how-dare-you-) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845/120 "2008-09-17T01:12:35Z")
> [@pinkyvee](#): > > I have had a lot of anger directed toward me and I have never posted in anger. > This anger can’t all be due to my annoying lack of punctuation (now corrected thanks to you-know-who)! Are you claiming to be ElvisL1ves? The anger directed at you has been with your fairly odd and utterly unsupported claims that Hillary was savaged by “the Democrats,” (not some small segment of the Democratic Party, for which you have also provided no evidence), and for holding a couple of positions that one emotional poster finds offensive. I will repeat my last previous comment: voting against a candidate because one is angered by some small and undefined segment of that candidate’s supporters is stupid. I see a number of comments from posters claiming that their revulsion at posters might make them change their vote. I hope that whomever they pick as a candidate is based on their actual agreement with the candidate and not on the utterly idiotic principle of not liking some supporter(s). (I also hope that people making those claims are not giving their true reasons for their choices, because I hope that no one posting here is truly that stupid.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-cynic-ala-diogenes-why-one-woman-is-voting-for-mccain/463845.md?page=7)