# Dear December, you ignorant f\*\*\*! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2002, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957 "2002-09-04T14:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/21 "2002-09-04T17:00:36Z")
Call an exterminator! There’s damn Morlocks everywhere! ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/22 "2002-09-04T17:13:46Z")
My dear **AceOSpades** You are truly a card I have read your tirades And it’s clear you try hard. You censured my spelling And called it a shame But, what seems oddly telling: You mis-spelled my name. december ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/23 "2002-09-04T17:16:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*are people expecting WV\_Woman to actually back her statments up? She never does, and believes that her simply saying something is enough. \*\* Exactly. And it’s really fucking annoying. Hey, **WV\_Woman**! Are you reading this? I double-dog dare you to come back in here and answer the responses to your stupid drive-by. Prove you’re not a complete waste of electrons, if you can. As for the OP…maybe we should just have a **december** -bashing thread stickied to the top of the forum, since they happen with such numbing regularity. Not that they ever have any lasting effect on his posting behavior. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/24 "2002-09-04T17:35:20Z")
WV\_Woman, please stop being a martyr. For the love of all that is holy and right and true and decent, shut the fuck up. How you can continue to post your ignorant tripe is so beyond my realm of comprehension that it makes me sneeze. You’re like a lab rat that keeps pressing the button that delivers an electric shock. Jesus on a jet plane, woman, learn for fuck’s sake! december bashing threads are becoming like SUV-owner bashing threads, by the way. They’re so _done_. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/25 "2002-09-04T17:37:57Z")
this is me, distancing myself. I certainly wouldn’t be considered a fan of **december’s** posting style, and will generally call him on his miscues etc. And, frankly I think that he’s admitted to what essentially is called ‘trolling’ (ie that he’ll intentionally exagerrate posts to get reactions). However, the OP here isn’t bringing anything new. **december** does seem to be somewhat toning down the bile foaming rhetoric lately. I see no particular point to flame for past deeds in this case. and truth is many of the conservatives on the board have been calling him out for his tactics. “when folks on your side of the fence are gently suggesting that you may be going a bit over board, perhaps it’s time to listen” ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/26 "2002-09-04T17:46:36Z")
**Saturday Night Idiom Ignorance** The OP’s wording has run amuck. Regretfully, I say, “Tut-tut.” Jane Curtain was never “You ignorant f\*\*\*” She was actually called, “You ignorant, s\*\*\*” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/27 "2002-09-04T18:15:16Z")
Certainly, **Wring** , and the more people who call out December, the better. However, I don’t think he’s getting the message. This was the text from the first link: > [@](#): > > ## Originally posted by Squink Has she been convicted, or is guilt just assumed in matters like this ? > > AFAIK the trial hasn’t been held yet. From what I read about this case, there seems to be lots of evidence against her, so it appears that she is guilty Something December has done several times – assume guilt instead of innocence. Does December get it? I’m not convinced. I think he’s pushed into changing his style, rather than attempting to try to learn and adapt. Anyone remaining as ignorant as he must try rather hard at it, no? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/28 "2002-09-04T18:17:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyone ever notice that only conservatives get Pitted? For the record, at least one libertarian has gotten his share of Pits. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/29 "2002-09-04T18:23:04Z")
And that was from all of yesterday. That, in combination with his flagrantly moronic thoughts on what constitutes a precedent: > [@](#): > > Getting the numbers straight > \<\<99.9% of the people in China never encounter the the fascist police either\>\> > > There are almost 300 million Americans. Somewhere between, 30 and 300 of our citizens had their usual civil liberties infringed. The complement of 99.9% is .1%, which is 1 per 1000, which totals 300,000 Americans. That’s inaccurate. Let’s try again. > > The number of Americans whose civil liberties have been infringed by Ashcroft may be about 30 to 300. That’s a range of 1 in 1 million to 1 in 10 milliion, i.e. 0.00001% to 0.0001%. So, the percentage whose rights have NOT been infringed amounts to 99.99999% to 99.9999%. > > A civil liberties violation to even one person is still wrong, but let’s keep straight the magnitude of the problem. At some point, I think you have to recognize you might better fight ignorance elsewhere. Just one man’s opinion. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/30 "2002-09-04T18:33:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > \*\*:At some point, I think you have to recognize you might better fight ignorance elsewhere. > . \*\* well, yes, and generally, I’ve decided to do so. RE: the stats thing - I am continually amazed at his occupation vs. his handling of stats here, but I digress. It wasn’t worth pitting - merely point out that his numbers are derivative of some one else’s half baked pull it out of my ass stat (studies show that 6/5ths of people don’t know statistics), which makes his assumptions a half assed derivative. RE; the guilty quote - I believe that what he was attempting to say was that while there hadn’t been a trial yet, there was a substantial amount of evidence (note that I"m not suggesting that assesment is correct), and hence she’s probably ‘guilty’ - but I believe he was talking about the ‘real’ sense vs. the legal sense. IOW, a person in our system is **presumed** innocent until found guilty in a trial (unless of course it’s overturned on appeal, but again I digress), however they may in **fact** _be_ guilty of the crime, regardless of outcome of the case. He worded it poorly tho. So, no, I still don’t see any particular recent ‘cause du jour’ that would explain the need for this. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/31 "2002-09-04T18:38:57Z")
\<\\> Something December has done several times – assume guilt instead of innocence. Well **Ace0Spades** , you have a bit of a point here. The word “appear” has two relevant meanings: > [@](#): > > 3 : to have an outward aspect : SEEM \ > 4 : to become evident or manifest \ **Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/32 "2002-09-04T19:03:23Z") December, you have exhausted my patience. Were I a better man, I could no doubt hammer through your indefinitely thick head that deciding whether to care about infringement of civil liberties based on _percentage of people affected_ is a disgusting thought. But as I say, I tire of your tendentiousness. Do you remember that Ashcroft cited a precedent for these arrests? That [precedent](http://www.time.com/time/columnist/novak/article/0,9565,184594,00.html) involved 8 people. What equally irrelevant percentage of that nation was that? And as for your ‘guilt defense,’ you slide pretty close to that implication for a man who has been warned about it before. [_shrug_] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/33 "2002-09-04T19:37:47Z")
No fan of december, but really, the OP goes rather too far. Hate blacks, women and arabs, e.g. One of the three. (Hold illogical, poorly supported positions, that is another matter) Ace’s OP is barely any better than december’s standard handiwork. Ideology… ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/34 "2002-09-04T20:04:47Z")
**Ace** , you are NOT innocent until proven guilty. You are innocent if you didn’t do the crime. You are guilty if you did do the crime. Period. Now, if we are talking about the stance of our government with respect to incarceration, the government must treat you as innocent (pretty much) until the government proves you guilty. This just happens to be one of my pet peeves. Even though the gov’t didn’t prove OJ guilty, I feel perfectly justified in considering him a murderer. On Scale… I would say that scale matters very much when talking about crime. Whether it is 30 or 300 or 30,000 matters. To say that it doesn’t matter is nonsense. Obviously, civil rights are important, and nobody should just LET the gov’t trample over them, even for just 1 person. However, one CAN decide whether or not this is a major nationwide problem based on the scale. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/35 "2002-09-04T20:16:24Z")
Treat your boss like a lord To your wife say, “Yes dear.” But, on this message board, You can speak without fear.\* [sub]\*unless you’re a politically incorrect conservative[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/36 "2002-09-04T20:34:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*_Treat your boss like a lord > To your wife say, “Yes dear.” > But, on this message board, > You can speak without fear._ > > [sub]\*unless you’re a politically incorrect conservative[/sub] \*\* highlighting your bullshit statement. Fuck it **december** - you post this sort of bullshit drivel in a thread where the OP was getting lambasted more than you? Your statement here is absolute fucking bullshit and you know it and have been called on it before. **stop it** It’s this sort of fucking nonsense that makes people pile on you n the first place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/37 "2002-09-04T20:44:50Z")
December – nobody piles on you because you’re a politically incorrect conservative. We pile on you because you’re an insufferable moron. And ignorance still isn’t a point of view. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/38 "2002-09-04T21:46:36Z")
\<\\> Dear **wring** , thanks for all your advice. I am grateful you wish to be nice. …But, I’m left a bit flat, …When you say I’m no rat, But merely a nest full of mice. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/39 "2002-09-04T21:50:39Z")
I think the rest of us should all go in together and buy ACE and DECEMBER a room. Maybe one at some little place in the Poconos, with a heart-shaped tub and a bed that will vibrate so long as you keep feeding it quarters. They can take turns clawing each other’s eyes out in their sado-masochistic love ritual, and the rest of us will get a much deserved break from the difficult task of deciding which of the two is being more tiresome. See – everybody wins. Now, I’ve got a coffee can right here, so who’s in for five bucks each? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2002, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/40 "2002-09-04T21:56:59Z")
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