# Dear December, you ignorant f\*\*\*! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2002, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957 "2002-09-04T14:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/61 "2002-09-05T03:14:46Z")
Damn you both to hell. Sure, I was going to come in here and drop the “presumed” legal bomb on everyone. But, NOoooo, damn tropical storm and know-it-all [snide voice] Jojo[/sv] comes in here. Fucking lightning killed two posts. Damn Jojo, Florida Power, Freemasons, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberger… _Wanders off mumbling_ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/62 "2002-09-05T07:17:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jojo \* > \*\* The “government” isn’t trying to prove anyone guilty of anything. They leave all that stuff to the Judiciary. \*\* The Judiciary is still a branch of the government. Many who hold offices in the Judicial branch are elected… Aren’t prosecutors part of the Executive branch? Anyhoo, they all get government paychecks. Not that means much of anything. I just like nitpicking. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/63 "2002-09-05T11:07:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jojo \* > \*\* > Courts decide more than just the punishment, they also detemine the guilt or innocence of a person. \*\* NO! NO! NO! Your fucking **actions** determine your guilt or innocence. If I get a knife and slit someone’s throat I am guilty of committing murder. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. No court’s decision in my favor will change that fact. The court determines if your guilt can be **proven** to a sufficient degree to warrant punishment. The whole point of going to criminal court is to determine if the gov’t can punish you in some way. You think the gov’t is going to run a whole trial just to figure out if you did it? With no expectation of punishing you? Nonsense, they want to prove you guilty so they can punish the act appropriately. You do not have to prove something true in order for it to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Kegg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Kegg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kegg)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/64 "2002-09-05T13:34:26Z")
Dam Yankees !!! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/65 "2002-09-05T14:09:18Z")
**Cheessteak** , you’re absolutely right. You’re either guilty or innocent, and then you get to the courtroom, where, lacking omniscence, they have to _prove_ your _legal_ culpability. :rolleyes: Can we move on, now? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/66 "2002-09-05T15:10:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > :rolleyes: Can we move on, now? But…I wanted to rant and rave some more! I NEVER get to rant and rave! \ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/67 "2002-09-05T17:18:15Z")
If you kids don’t stop bickering, I’m turning this thread around! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/68 "2002-09-05T20:56:59Z")
:o Sorry, my mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/69 "2002-09-05T21:07:26Z")
\*\*\*Originally posted by **clayton\_h** Wow… YHTMTOYH. (and if you figure that one out you deffinately do) [/quote] Yeah. I figured it out. And if it had been _any other poster than you_ I would have said he/she deserved to be beaten with Styx! 🙂 But it had to be **you** to make that pun – and that makes **my** joke worse than tacky. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/70 "2002-09-05T22:07:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cheesesteak \* > **If I get a knife and slit someone’s throat I am guilty of committing murder. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts.** Well, no, sorry, but your “period” don’t make it so. If you get a knife and slit someone’s throat, you are committing homicide. Whether or not you are committing murder – a purely legal concept, which is **unlawful** homicide – is up to the courts to decide. Period. Elsewise, we would have no provisions for manslaughter or for justifiable homicide, now would we? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/71 "2002-09-05T22:25:19Z")
I love it when y’all argue law. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/72 "2002-09-05T23:16:35Z")
Even as one of december’s main detractors I have to say the OP is a little tough on him. About 50% of the OP smells like an attack on a set of opinions he holds that are neither bigoted nor inherently offensive, just disagreeable to those of a different political conviction. > [@](#): > > Further, Ashcroft _is_ a dictator, and Cheney – the same. Well, no they are not - even if I can’t say that they are great upholders of some essential democratic principles, they are not dictators. > [@](#): > > The fact is, you’re balanced, you hate arabs, women, AND the blacks! Might be true about the first group. Women and blacks he is ‘just’ patronizing about, just saying so that said be said and fairness served. I must say though december; the rhyming part is rather insufferable and worthy of a pitting all by itself, as is your newfound love for color-coding sections of your posts. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2002, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/73 "2002-09-05T23:38:20Z")
I, for one, have been taken to the Pit numerous times. Does that make me a conservative? Esprix ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2002, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/74 "2002-09-06T00:41:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sparc \*I must say though december; the rhyming part is rather insufferable and worthy of a pitting all by itself, Sparc \*\* You really know how to hurt a guy… ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2002, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/75 "2002-09-06T01:23:13Z")
Oh december, come now… Rhyme away if you like (or must) - I’m just a curmudgeon cynic with little if any sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2002, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/76 "2002-09-06T17:11:37Z")
What’s this? That’s the first time I’ve seen december even attempt to use the quote function! ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2002, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/77 "2002-09-06T18:13:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*What’s this? That’s the first time I’ve seen december even attempt to use the quote function! \*\* What- he quotes Fox News, Ann Coulter, Wall Street Journal Opinion section, various right-wing op-ed pieces, as fact all the time. Oh you mean other posters. Nevermind. . . :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/78 "2002-09-07T07:00:14Z")
Don’t bother talking to **WV\_Woman** –we all know she just did another drive-by on this thread like she usually does when it has the possibility to get hot and heavy. There’s been quite a lot in the Pit about that. May I just issue a pre-emptive STFU to all the conservative dopers trying to make this into a “wahhh feel sorry for me” fest. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2002, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/79 "2002-09-07T12:50:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > \*\*What- he quotes Fox News, Ann Coulter, Wall Street Journal Opinion section, various right-wing op-ed pieces, as fact all the time. \*\* Actually my most frequent media cite is that evil, right-wing rag, _The New Yort Times_. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2002, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957/80 "2002-09-11T21:34:38Z")
**December** , I am fucking sick of your lies. I said “99.9% of the people in **China** never encounter the the fascist police either” and you twisted it implying I said what I didn NOT say: > [@](#): > > There are almost 300 million Americans. Somewhere between, 30 and 300 of our citizens had their usual civil liberties infringed. The complement of 99.9% is .1%, which is 1 per 1000, which totals 300,000 Americans. That’s inaccurate. Let’s try again. Yeah, try again you fucking idiot. First of all, any idiot with half a brain knows I was talking figuratively but even if you take my words literally, I _never_ said or implied what you claim I said. I am so sick and tired of you that I was just going to ignore that as I ignore the rest of your idiocy, but now you come up with this: > [@](#): > > . . .Florida, with all its flaws, sure beats Cuba. At least we don’t use government-mandated child prostitution as a means of getting hard currency. That is a blatant lie. You are lying and you know you are lying. You were asked to support that assertion and you could not provide _any_ proof of that because it is not true. You can look at past threads about Cuba and you will see I have nothing good to say about the Cuban regime but I do not feel the need to lie in such a fanatical way as you do. You distort the truth to suit your fanaticism. I have been to Cuba and I have friends there and know abit about the place and I can guarantee you there is no fucking way the Cuban government condones, much less mandates, child prostitution. Only a fanatical extremist like you would believe this. > [@](#): > > BTW I entered “cuba child prostitution” into google and got lots of hits [here](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=cuba+child+prostitution&btnG=Google+Search). You fucking idiot and liar. Any fucking page on the net with those three words in it shows up as a hit. You did not bother reading them did you? Which one exactly shows the Cuban government mandates child prostitution? **United States child prostitution** yields over 100,000 pages in Google. Wow, I never knew that side of the US. I can tell you I have been to Cuba and the government clamps down on prostitution of any kind more than you can imagine. The fact is any country where people are desperately poor is going to have prostitution and Cuba is no exception. A minor part of that may involve underage women and I doubt there is any child sex in Cuba to speak of. The fault of that does not directly lie with the Cuban government but with men from rich countries, beginning with Europe and North America who go there to commit criminal acts. I can guarantee you that if caught they are in deep shit as they should be. I can tell you that a couple of years ago the Cuban police were clamping down on prostitution and just talking to foreigners earnt a few days in jail. I know it because I managed to get two young women in trouble that way and they were taken away by the police and I never saw them again. So quit your fucking lies because I’m sick of you and your lies. You have no proof and no reason to believe this is true. You are like the people who believe Jews sacrifice babies and drink their blood. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-december-you-ignorant-f/126957.md?page=5)