# Dear harveyc: would you kindly STFU? Thanks. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2007, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357 "2007-01-10T01:49:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/21 "2007-01-10T07:59:55Z")
Over 140 replies in the thread concerned. That’s quite an accomplishment for a first time poster. Meantime, our friend **harveyc** will be [Overjoyed to return to the Democratic fold.](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/10/washington/10capitol.html?hp&ex=1168491600&en=ce88834dd053e588&ei=5094&partner=homepage) > [@](#): > > In both chambers, Democrats made clear that the resolutions — which would do nothing in practical terms to block Mr. Bush’s intention to increase the United States military presence in Iraq — would be the minimum steps they would pursue. \*\*They did not rule out eventually considering more muscular responses, like seeking to cap the number of troops being deployed to Iraq or limiting financing for the war \*\*— steps that could provoke a Constitutional and political showdown over the president’s power to wage war. > _(my emphasis)_… > > The decision to pursue a confrontation with the White House was a turning point for Democrats, who have struggled with how to take on Mr. Bush’s war policy without being perceived as undermining the military or risking criticism as defeatists… > > “We have to be very careful about blocking funding for any troops because we don’t want to leave our troops short-changed,” said Senator Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana. Although this will give some comfort to disappointed democrat **harveyc** , doubtless his greatest comfort will come from the knowledge that the Democratic leadership is loathe to take action that might feed a perception that they were inconsiderate or hostile to the military. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/22 "2007-01-10T14:08:53Z")
The plural of anecdote is not data, but at other MB’s I frequent, I’ve noticed the same thing re: complaints about the Dems “backsliding”/“not moving fast enough”/etc… some of them by long-standing members of the board whom are definitely not trolls. I can’t speak for **harveyc** , of course, but this meme works on both sides… the same thing happened when the Repubs took Congress in 1994, the same thing happens when a new President takes over, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/23 "2007-01-10T14:24:20Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] It’s kind of like being on a really crappy merry-go-round. [/QUOTE] Or an Infocom game with a bad parser. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/24 "2007-01-10T14:30:40Z")
Wait a second. Am I supposed to be upset because the Democrats haven’t stood up to Bush like they promised? Or because they aren’t [working in unity](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403130) with the Republicans like they promised? I forget. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/25 "2007-01-10T15:08:10Z")
[QUOTE=Trion] Wait a second. Am I supposed to be upset because the Democrats haven’t stood up to Bush like they promised? Or because they aren’t [working in unity](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403130) with the Republicans like they promised? I forget. [/QUOTE] You should be upset because the Democrats aren’t working with Bush to stop the Bush agenda. Write your congressman and demand that he enmgage in bipartisan efforts to stop the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/26 "2007-01-10T21:07:33Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] You should be upset because the Democrats aren’t working with Bush to stop the Bush agenda. Write your congressman and demand that he enmgage in bipartisan efforts to stop the Republicans. [/QUOTE] 😃 This is so insane, I can imagine somebody actually trying to assert it. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/27 "2007-01-11T14:32:49Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] …it’s a bit like trying to argue with a brick wall with embedded speakers playing a taped loop. [/QUOTE] That’s beautiful. I’m totally using that IRL. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/28 "2007-01-11T14:49:32Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] …Write your congressman and demand that he engage in bipartisan efforts to stop the Republicans. [/QUOTE] And thus was born H.R.397: The Comelier, More Supple Congressional Page Act of 2007. I’ll admit it’s a cheap shot up front. But the joke wouldn’t stay buried. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2007, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/29 "2007-01-11T15:05:56Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] Is it me, or is there a recent influx of brick-headed righties to the SDMB lately? … Or is this simply fallout from Keith Ellison’s use of the Koran? 😉 [/QUOTE] It might be surprising how many conservative Muslims there are. It could be my limited experience, but I haven’t seen many Islamic gay rights advocates, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/30 "2007-01-12T23:13:43Z")
We have two morons in the same thread, but they won’t argue with each other. harveyc and Bugles are both fucking idiots, and we have to deal with their idiocy separately, instead of them taking each other out. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/31 "2007-01-13T02:11:59Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] It might be surprising how many conservative Muslims there are. It could be my limited experience, but I haven’t seen many Islamic gay rights advocates, for example. [/QUOTE] [Here you go.](http://www.al-bab.com/arab/background/gay.htm) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/32 "2007-01-13T05:09:50Z")
It’s a twofer for the conservatives. First, you accuse your opponents of all kinds of insane plans that they never made. Second, you condemn them for hypocrisy in not carrying out those plans. You get to discredit them twice that way. Expect to see the following in upcoming weeks: Why haven’t the Democrats enacted their promised plan to tax widows and orphans? Why haven’t the Democrats made Christianity illegal like they said they were going to? What’s the delay on the Democrats made abortions mandatory like they promised they would? Why haven’t the Democrats acted on their plans to make American troops fight with blank ammunition? When is the Democrat Congress going to introduce the teaching of Darwinian Lesbian Wicca Socialism into pre-schools like they’ve always wanted to? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/33 "2007-01-13T06:41:19Z")
But seriously our friend **harvey** is a bellweather telling us that the GOP strategy is to get in early and attack everything about the Democrats whenever it appears, any way you can, facts be damned. Can’t believe it will last though. Still, godspeed. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/34 "2007-01-13T17:33:53Z")
Reading the thread is kind of a painful experience, as the deja vu sets in with both bugles and harveyc (_haven’t I read this post before?_, you ask yourself). I find it telling that harveyc has yet to respond to the direct question asked regarding his political affiliation. I’m not sure if he’s a young conservative, a very young liberal or a paid shill for some conservative astroturfing effort, but I’m leaning towards door #3. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/35 "2007-01-13T17:50:49Z")
I’m telling you all, “Democrat Congress” = not-liberal, or even moderate. It’s been a constant meme used by the Republicans for a couple of years now, because they want to dissociate the Democrats with such principles as democracy as much as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/36 "2007-01-14T16:43:40Z")
[QUOTE=Polycarp] [Here you go.](http://www.al-bab.com/arab/background/gay.htm) 🙂 [/QUOTE] Jews for Jesus have a website, too. But there really aren’t that many of them. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357/37 "2007-01-14T17:34:22Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] It’s a twofer for the conservatives. First, you accuse your opponents of all kinds of insane plans that they never made. Second, you condemn them for hypocrisy in not carrying out those plans. You get to discredit them twice that way. Expect to see the following in upcoming weeks: Why haven’t the Democrats enacted their promised plan to tax widows and orphans? Why haven’t the Democrats made Christianity illegal like they said they were going to? What’s the delay on the Democrats made abortions mandatory like they promised they would? Why haven’t the Democrats acted on their plans to make American troops fight with blank ammunition? When is the Democrat Congress going to introduce the teaching of Darwinian Lesbian Wicca Socialism into pre-schools like they’ve always wanted to? [/QUOTE] Not to mention the delay in starting a campaign to get everyone to burn a flag once a month. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-harveyc-would-you-kindly-stfu-thanks/387357.md?page=1)