# Dear kanicbird: **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 11, 2010, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117 "2010-05-11T23:46:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/61 "2010-05-12T18:01:32Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > So in the Garden of Gethsemene, on the night on which he was betrayed, he was begging himself to be released from the torment and murder he himself had arranged for himself but finally agreed to suppress his own preferences in favor of his own plan? As far as I can understand the Trinity nonsense, yes. Makes about as much sense as those claiming that the 6 Star Wars movies make a coherent, logical narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/62 "2010-05-12T18:12:02Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > So in the Garden of Gethsemene, on the night on which he was betrayed, he was begging himself to be released from the torment and murder he himself had arranged for himself but finally agreed to suppress his own preferences in favor of his own plan? What, you’ve never done that? ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/63 "2010-05-12T21:01:28Z")
To be fair, for all the outright hostility and derisive dismissal (and I don’t know which would be more obnoxious) **kanicbird** receives around here, he’s always pretty polite. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/64 "2010-05-12T21:03:52Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > To be fair, for all the outright hostility and derisive dismissal (and I don’t know which would be more obnoxious) **kanicbird** receives around here, he’s always pretty polite. Yes, he is careful to wrap his misogynistic, blame-the-victim theology in nice words. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2010, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/65 "2010-05-12T22:16:24Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The God of the Old Testament is the vile monster; the best thing you can say about him is that he’s not as bad as Wotan. Hey ! Don’t knock the Allfather, he died for your sins you know ! Well, he will, come Ragnarok. And not for your sins, as such. More to show how big His balls are. Still, he dies, more or less. The point is, show respect, heathen ! ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/66 "2010-05-13T01:11:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Hey ! Don’t knock the Allfather, he died for your sins you know ! > Well, he will, come Ragnarok. > And not for your sins, as such. More to show how big His balls are. > Still, he dies, more or less. > > The point is, show respect, heathen ! Well, it is Wotan’s day today and tomorrow is Thor’s day. So that’s a little respect. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/67 "2010-05-13T05:07:13Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > To be fair, for all the outright hostility and derisive dismissal (and I don’t know which would be more obnoxious) **kanicbird** receives around here, he’s always pretty polite. The same was said about **december**. Didn’t stop him from being a hateful troll. These comments have been pretty mild from **Kanicbird**. As him about pre-birth deals with demons and such. Ask him about how an eight-year-old who was raped and got pregnant should have died in childbirth rather than have an abortion. (Which was a medical necessity, since she wouldn’t have survived). Ask him about stillbirths being a result of evil spirits. The man’s a sicko. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/68 "2010-05-13T12:17:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The same was said about **december**. Didn’t stop him from being a hateful troll. > > These comments have been pretty mild from **Kanicbird**. As him about pre-birth deals with demons and such. Ask him about how an eight-year-old who was raped and got pregnant should have died in childbirth rather than have an abortion. (Which was a medical necessity, since she wouldn’t have survived). Ask him about stillbirths being a result of evil spirits. > > The man’s a sicko. Yup, we’ve had this [soul tie](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=530858) idea from him before… ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/69 "2010-05-13T19:18:00Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Oh, I’ll grant that Jesus is a nice enough fellow. If I drank beer I’d have a beer with him, except that he’s all dead & stuff. > > The God of the Old Testament is the vile monster; the best thing you can say about him is that he’s not as bad as Wotan. If you insist that Yahweh & Jesus are identical, then I have to lay the former’s numberless crimes at the latter’s feet. My God and Lord is Jesus, the one who died to remove us from those evil vile things we read about in the OT. So I will withdraw your charges against my Lord. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/70 "2010-05-13T19:22:01Z")
But only as a one-time courtesy. Future fees will apply. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/71 "2010-05-13T19:22:22Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > My God and Lord is Jesus, the one who died to remove us from those evil vile things we read about in the OT. So I will withdraw your charges against my Lord. Mary’s son still has Paul to answer for. Not to mention the Inquisition. Anyway, you’re just trolling at this point, so I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![Cyningablod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@Cyningablod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyningablod)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/72 "2010-05-13T19:37:30Z")
Folks, **kanicbird** is a religious ideologue. I don’t say that pejoratively; it’s just a neutral statement of fact. The fact that s/he believes in the Christian Trinity and reveres Jesus as his/her Lord necessarily colors his/her perceptions and interpretations of everything. I’m rather surprised that it’s rattling anyone’s cage. S/he and I have gone 'round the bush once or twice on creationism and religion in general, but it never got me worked up. Yes, his/her rhetoric and analyses are annoying, and yes, very little of it is what we would call very “scholarly”, but that’s just who **kanicbird** is. Don’t let it bother you. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/73 "2010-05-13T19:44:59Z")
> [@Cyningablod](#): > > Folks, **kanicbird** is a religious ideologue. I don’t say that pejoratively; it’s just a neutral statement of fact. The fact that s/he believes in the Christian Trinity and reveres Jesus as his/her Lord necessarily colors his/her perceptions and interpretations of everything. I’m rather surprised that it’s rattling anyone’s cage. S/he and I have gone 'round the bush once or twice on creationism and religion in general, but it never got me worked up. > > Yes, his/her rhetoric and analyses are annoying, and yes, very little of it is what we would call very “scholarly”, but that’s just who **kanicbird** is. Don’t let it bother you. But … but that would be no fun! And there would be no reason for me to pop some popcorn and pull up a chair! Party pooper … ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/74 "2010-05-13T19:54:11Z")
You’re new, **Cyningablod** , so I’ll just give you this one and save you the trouble of going through all the him/her, he/she nonsense: **kanicbird** is on record as having identified his gender as male. ---
**Author:** ![Cyningablod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc29f/32.png) [@Cyningablod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyningablod)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/75 "2010-05-13T20:04:05Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > […] **kanicbird** is on record as having identified his gender as male. Cool. Danke. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/76 "2010-05-13T20:52:31Z")
> [@Cumberdale](#): > > …those claiming that the 6 Star Wars movies make a coherent, logical narrative. GOOD GOD! There are people who believe this? We are worse off than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![BunnyTVS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BunnyTVS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BunnyTVS)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/77 "2010-05-14T00:14:08Z")
> [@Cumberdale](#): > > As far as I can understand the Trinity nonsense, yes. Makes about as much sense as those claiming that the 6 Star Wars movies make a coherent, logical narrative. Wait so what you’re saying is… \*George Lucas \*wrote the bible? Now it’s all starting to make sense! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/78 "2010-05-14T00:54:21Z")
**kanicbird** , are you also Robert L.? I found [soul ties being explained here.](http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/soulties.php) Looks very similar to your opinions. He says there’s no actual Biblical mention of “soul tie,” but he believes it just the same. He explains how it can form from marriage and friendship, and supports that with scripture. But he doesn’t do the same when he says he believes soul ties can cause harm. He doesn’t quote any scripture about harmful soul ties. Do you know of any? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/79 "2010-05-14T18:32:13Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > **kanicbird** , are you also Robert L.? I found [soul ties being explained here.](http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/soulties.php) Looks very similar to your opinions. > > He says there’s no actual Biblical mention of “soul tie,” but he believes it just the same. He explains how it can form from marriage and friendship, and supports that with scripture. But he doesn’t do the same when he says he believes soul ties can cause harm. He doesn’t quote any scripture about harmful soul ties. Do you know of any? I don’t know who Robert L is, so no. I believe there are many soul ties in scrtiptures, though not called them. I believe the Bible is written about the spiritual for the non-spiritual, or to put another way describes a 3-d world to flatland beings. One instance of many that I believe shows a soul tie is in Sarah and Abraham (Sarai and Abram). Pharaoh took Sarai as his wife (who is the head of the land of slavery). Later I believe this allowed the slave woman Haagar to have access to their marriage, and the son Ishmeal. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117/80 "2010-05-21T11:52:22Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What are the charges you bring against Lord Jesus from which you make this claim? I think Skald gets that from how you describe your god. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-kanicbird/539117.md?page=5)