# Dear Mel Gibson........ **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 1, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246 "2010-07-01T22:28:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/121 "2010-07-10T02:04:16Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > ETA: Not sure why you’re thinking of divorce, she and Mel never married My dollar to your doughnut [ed.: not as good a bet as it used to be, but . . .] that this Eastern European chick does not walk away from this penniless based on the lack of a marriage certificate. Perhaps all the more reason to gather and selectively disseminate the tapes . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/122 "2010-07-10T02:08:20Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > Even if Blacks are known for using “Nigger” with each other in what can only be described as a “comradely” fashion,\* I’m going to need a cite to your claim that we routinely go around talking about “packs of wild niggers” “rap[ing” women]. > > - Blacks who do this are idiots too but I understand what they think they mean by using it that way, and that they their goals is to subvert the word by using it themselves. Sigh. I aint got no time to be mad at you for calling me an idiot, because I gotta wait eagerly for this cite you have requested about ‘packs of wild niggers’. I’ve never heard that phrase from any blacks I know. (or whites either, unless you count Mel Gibson, which I guess we can’t because I don’t actually know him) ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/123 "2010-07-10T02:11:20Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > My dollar to your doughnut [ed.: not as good a bet as it used to be, but . . .] that this Eastern European chick does not walk away from this penniless based on the lack of a marriage certificate. Perhaps all the more reason to gather and selectively disseminate the tapes . . . . Yes, yes. You and the OP have it all figured out. You’re so very perceptive. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/124 "2010-07-10T02:28:30Z")
She deserves every penny she gets. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/125 "2010-07-10T04:54:09Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > But when I see a Jim Carey movie I don’t spend the whole time wondering how many kids he’s killed with his anti-vaxx nonsense and I expect that’ll be true for any future Gibson movies. If it’s not, then I won’t watch them either. Me either. I just see a movie that isn’t funny > [@Markxxx](#): > > I’ve actually heard African Americans use that phrase a lot. Another one for “Yeah effin’ right.” > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Audio: [http://www.dlisted.com/node/37981](http://www.dlisted.com/node/37981) Finally! I scoured the internets for this for literally, like, five minutes, and all I could find that Radar article quoting the audio, and other articles quoting the Radar article quoting the audio. Man, this sounds so crazy, it hardly even seems real. Who says stuff like that? ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/126 "2010-07-10T06:36:11Z")
[aside] Why is this in Cafe Society, and not in The Pit? This seems like perfect pit material, and Cecil knows it needs it. [/aside] ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/127 "2010-07-10T12:00:40Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > [aside] Why is this in Cafe Society, and not in The Pit? This seems like perfect pit material, and Cecil knows it needs it. [/aside] If you’d like a Pit thread, feel free to start one. I just read the entire thread and I’m not seeing anything, other than a little profanity aimed at people off the SDMB, that makes it worth moving. **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/128 "2010-07-10T12:18:12Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > ETA: Not sure why you’re thinking of divorce, she and Mel never married Heck, I just found out last night Mel’s divorce with Robin isn’t even finalized yet. Boy, he better make one heck of a religious movie to recover from this! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/129 "2010-07-10T12:48:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and Mel’s scum – saying in public that his ex would go to hell because she wasn’t Catholic (not STRICTLY true – she’s Anglican, and **the church doesn’t necessarily teach that non-Catholic Christians aren’t saved** ) > > Or when he defended his Holocaust-denying father. He said he wasn’t a Holocaust denier in one breath, then said that his father had never lied to him in another. > > And he’s starting to look like Al Bundy. His version does. Traditionalist Catholics tend to be against ecumenism. It’s in the [Wiki article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Catholic#Traditionalists.27_claims_of_.22discontinuity_and_rupture.22) also linked above. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/130 "2010-07-10T14:04:17Z")
There is at least one other black person in this thread that had the same reaction I had to **Marxx’s** post that I had\*: What the fuck are you talking about? You know black people who use the phrase “pack of niggers” in casual conversation? What kind of asshole gangsta wannabee’s you be hanging out with? \*Could be three, but I’m not sure what ethnicity **Mean Old Lady** is. I can’t get with **MOL** , she stole the username I would have used if I was as smart as she is. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/131 "2010-07-10T14:58:11Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > There is at least one other black person in this thread that had the same reaction I had to **Marxx’s** post that I had\*: What the fuck are you talking about? > > You know black people who use the phrase “pack of niggers” in casual conversation? What kind of asshole gangsta wannabee’s you be hanging out with? I think Marxx has a valid point. Why is that if Obama went on air and said to Hillary Clinton “Madame Secretary, you’re looking so good that if you slow down you’re going to get raped by a pack of wild niggers” then everybody would laugh and think it was a compliment, but when Mel Gibson says it they think it’s racist? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/132 "2010-07-10T16:33:58Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > \*Could be three, but I’m not sure what ethnicity **Mean Old Lady** is. I can’t get with **MOL** , she stole the username I would have used if I was as smart as she is. I’m black. And not very smart; I just pretend to be on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/133 "2010-07-10T19:44:25Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I’m black. > And not very smart; I just pretend to be on the internet. [Clean too](http://www.nouilles.info/sdpix/25267.html). ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/134 "2010-07-10T20:02:00Z")
**Nzinga** (not to hijack too much): I perhaps used too strong a word there. I understand you’ve gone on the record stating that you refuse to adjust your behavior to accomodate racists and other bigots and I generally agree with you. I also acknowledge (and have used it that way myself in the past) the affection we mean when _we_ use it, and the subversion we’re attempting in doing so, I just think that with the history, violence and hate attached to it, it’s too much work to keep fighting with others (some here) who are looking for an excuse to use it, and using the fight over it to claim that now they’re being oppressed if they’re asked not to use it. Let 'em have it (the word, I mean), and in doing so, force them to come up with other contortions for why they think they ought to be able to use it (or for why they think they’re being oppressed). Besides there are too many other ways we can acknowledge our love and comradeship for one another, like, “my brother [sister],” “my homie,” and, if one is a fan of _The Wire_, “My mainest man.”\* - Although Bubs was talking to McNutty at the time, I like the expression. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/135 "2010-07-10T20:15:21Z")
> [@Markxxx](#): > > But when one hears “raped by a pack of…” used by African Americans over and over, I could understand how someone without my social and PC savvy could use it Not to hijack, but I’ve never heard a black person use this phrase in my life. I believe it highly unlikely that Mel Gibson, or anyone else for that matter, has heard it “used by African Americans over and over” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/136 "2010-07-10T20:36:39Z")
Certainly he has enough money to last him the rest of his life and live like a sultan if he lives to be 120, but his career is most likely dead. Does anybody think there’s anyway he’ll ever 1- Be able to star in another hit movie 2- Be able to come back from this one with anything like face ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/137 "2010-07-10T20:39:11Z")
His long-time agency has dropped him. IANAHollywoodstar, but that doesn’t sound good. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/138 "2010-07-10T20:46:05Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Certainly he has enough money to last him the rest of his life and live like a sultan if he lives to be 120, but his career is most likely dead. Does anybody think there’s anyway he’ll ever > > 1- Be able to star in another hit movie > 2- Be able to come back from this one with anything like face 1- Yes. 2- Face? He doesn’t need face. He has money, and box office and director cred. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/139 "2010-07-10T20:50:39Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > [Besides there are too many other ways we can acknowledge our love and comradeship for one another, like, “my brother [sister],” “my homie,” and, if one is a fan of _The Wire_, “My mainest man.”\* I hear you. And I’m pretty certain you already know that we will disagree on this one till the end, my friend. You can rest assured I would never address you with the word. Not even with affection, as I can think of tons of other terms of endearment you would appreciate, my mainest man. ---
**Author:** ![alexandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@alexandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alexandra)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246/140 "2010-07-10T21:06:43Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I think Marxx has a valid point. Why is that if Obama went on air and said to Hillary Clinton “Madame Secretary, you’re looking so good that if you slow down you’re going to get raped by a pack of wild niggers” then everybody would laugh and think it was a compliment, but when Mel Gibson says it they think it’s racist? Oh, god, I feel bad but that’s hysterical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-mel-gibson/545246.md?page=8)