# Dear Miss Ogynist...Miss Andryst...Miss Anthrope...Miss thang... ahem. Dear catsix, **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112 "2006-08-10T03:42:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/61 "2006-08-10T14:51:24Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > [Master Po] Is not the prune, despite its wrinkles, sweeter than the plum?[/Master Po] Man, those Teletubbies know everything. ---
**Author:** ![Beaucarnea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c0e974/32.png) [@Beaucarnea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beaucarnea)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/62 "2006-08-10T14:53:06Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > And I bet you’ve been a long time lurker who only decided to post right now. > > Come on, who are you really? Because newbs don’t say shit like this unless they’re not newbs. > > You figured all this out in a couple of days? How long have you been following me? > > People being nice to me are totally fine. **Automatically treating me the way you would treat a disabled man is not**. > > Read the rest of his name drops. The guy’s gotta be a troll. Good morning, **catsix**. Nah. Not trolling. Anyone who reads the boards for awhile can recognize trends from frequent contributors. I recognize the names and online personalities of a lot of posters, not _just_ you. And I also know that you can be very funny when you are not attacking both men and women for perceived afronts to your skills and abilities. But your sense of humor doesn’t excuse your frequent hijacks of courtesy and kindness threads. Your attacks probably make interactions harder for shy strangers. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/63 "2006-08-10T14:56:14Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > That doesn’t change the fact it is distinctly rude! The name I want to give you is the name I want you to know. Just because we’re Asian doesn’t mean we have to have some weird Asian name. Of course. It is rude. But if the person being rude genuinely doesn’t realize they’re being, rude and in fact is trying to be nice… I think it’s rude to return their rudeness, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Beaucarnea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c0e974/32.png) [@Beaucarnea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beaucarnea)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/64 "2006-08-10T14:59:17Z")
> [@Nic2004](#): > > Damn, hit Reply too soon. > **Beaucarnea** - Welcome to the Board. I hope you’ll sign up. > Maybe it will help the conversation if I ask: > _“Are you now, or have you ever been, a Poster on the SDMB under any name other than that refered to herein?”_ 🙂 Hi, **Nic2004**. Thank you for the welcome. No, I haven’t posted before, but have wanted to numerous times. Each time I have seen a thread devaluing kindness and courtesy I have wanted to jump in, but had noticed that new posters with an argument are not welcomed. I haven’t had the time in the past to _ease_ my way into the boards and ingratiate myself to the regulars. But this one just rankled. Couldn’t keep my dog out of the fight. ---
**Author:** ![Figaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Figaro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Figaro)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/65 "2006-08-10T15:46:07Z")
You rarely know how people intend the things they do and say. One person’s courtesy is another person’s chauvinism. But you can usually tell a lot about a person from how they \*react \* to those things from other people. When I see someone react with hostility or aggression, or feel the need to make a political statement in an everyday circumstances like the one being discussed here (being offered a seat, for instance), I am not impressed. I’m not saying it’s wrong. But in my experience people who are secure in themselves and actually believe in thier own identity/strength/empowerment don’t feel the need to scream it in other people’s faces, or swing at every social pitch that just might, might, imply otherwise. my 2 cents, ~fig ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/66 "2006-08-10T15:48:15Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > That’s why I always say “Gesundheit.” That’s exactly how Hitler would have responded! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/67 "2006-08-10T16:06:12Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I would give up my seat to a non-pregnant **catsix** without a second thought. > > I would never give up my seat to **Guinastasia** , even if she were pregnant, on crutches, and tethered to an IV machine. > > I guess it all depends whether I _like_ them or not. 🙂 Oh my heart is breaking. :rolleyes: How’d I get involved in this? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/68 "2006-08-10T16:23:20Z")
> [@Scoundrel Swanswater](#): > > I actually hold doors open for both male and female persons. > Does that make me an equal-opportunity sexist? 😃 I (a gal) hold doors open for males and females, young and old, disabled or not. They all seem to appreciate it equally. I never realized there was a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/69 "2006-08-10T16:25:37Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh my heart is breaking. :rolleyes: > How’d I get involved in this? [Just a guess](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7648945&postcount=244). ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/70 "2006-08-10T16:39:46Z")
> [@](#): > > **bordelond** said: > Meanwhile, I pay the fare and survey the seats. I see only one seat open, towards the front. Aware that a woman is getting ready to board momentarily, I pass the empty seat up, walk to the back of the bus, and grab a pole. > > When you get on, the open seat is ready for you. Do you think ill of me because (a) I arrived first and yet (b) passed on taking the empty seat? I would probably assume that you were planning to be on the bus for a while and moved to the back so that people could enter and exit with less impedence. I’d probably also head toward the back if I was going more than a couple of stops. > [@](#): > > **Licentious Ectomorph** said: > That said, I do think it would behoove her to have a little charity and realize that a great many men (especially older ones) were brought up that way and those habits are so deeply ingrained as to be reflexive; they mean no disrespect or insult, consciously or unconsciously. If, however, someone says on a message board that they find the practice insulting and why they find it so, it should give the person who previously didn’t know that treating women as fragile or infirm was insulting something to consider regarding whether they should continue the practice. > [@](#): > > To this day, I rarely initiate a handshake with a woman; I just can’t make myself do it even though I realize it might be taken as rude. In a social setting, I probably wouldn’t notice. If it were a business setting, I would be more likely to wonder why a handshake wasn’t offered, although I tend to automatically extend my hand when meeting someone for business. > [@](#): > > **Beaucarnea** said: > catsix , I understand why you would chastise a co-worker for making assumptions. I don’t understand why a courtesy from a stranger (male or female) would inspire such anger. And cursing. And name-calling. And hijacking a thread to promote a personal agenda So expressing my opinion vigorously on a messageboard means that I go Gunnery Sergeant Hartman on someone on a bus? There, I tell them ‘No, it’s OK, you were there first.’ and I save the mind-changing attempts for places like this. > [@](#): > > **Scumpup** said: > Catsix is a polite, well-spoken person. That’s a fact, Cholmondeley. She’s not angry or foul-mouthed. She’s a pleasure to talk with and she has good taste in beer and guns. Why thank you. I did have an excellent time hanging out with you, even when that weird stoned guy kept talking to us. 🙂 > [@](#): > > **Beaucarnea** said: > And I also know that you can be very funny when you are not attacking both men and women for perceived afronts to your skills and abilities. But your sense of humor doesn’t excuse your frequent hijacks of courtesy and kindness threads. Your attacks probably make interactions harder for shy strangers. Silly fuckin me, I posted my opinion in IMH **O**. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/71 "2006-08-10T16:47:57Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Talk to my SO, who has the most American, patriotic name around. Lincoln McPieflag? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/72 "2006-08-10T16:48:37Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh my heart is breaking. :rolleyes: > How’d I get involved in this? Well, when you want to suck up to someone and they’re known to enjoy slamming people, you slam the people the object of your hot internet lust slams. Rather sad and pathetic, especially considering he would have to be able to tell it’s you that is standing there pregnant on an IV drip in front of him based solely on words on a screen, but hey! It seems to be working. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/73 "2006-08-10T17:22:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Catsix is a polite, well-spoken person. She may be IRL, but on the Boards, in threads like the linked one, she comes across as angry and mean. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/74 "2006-08-10T17:29:23Z")
Could someone explain what is hyper defensive or angry and mean about: > [@](#): > > I don’t like the practice at all. I find it stupid to automatically assume that because I am female I am unable to stand up on a bus or a train or anywhere. > [@](#): > > If you wouldn’t do it for an able bodied man, you don’t need to do it for me. I’m female, not handicapped, and I’m perfectly capable of opening a door for myself. If I need help I will ask for it. Until then, assume that I can take care of myself Seems pretty reasonable and the only rebuttal given her is “It’s tradition, you angry idiot” Personally, however, the “choose to breed” reason for not giving up a seat to a pregnant lady is pretty retarded. If these people don’t choose to breed there won’t be anyone to push your wheelchair or wipe your drool in a few years, **catsix**. Besides who cares? I don’t ask how the guy broke his leg to decide whether he “deserves” my seat. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/75 "2006-08-10T17:32:49Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > So expressing my opinion vigorously on a messageboard means that I go Gunnery Sergeant Hartman on someone on a bus? There, I tell them ‘No, it’s OK, you were there first.’ and I save the mind-changing attempts for places like this. Perhaps because that’s how you always come off here-constantly going rabid anytime someone disagrees with you? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/76 "2006-08-10T17:36:23Z")
> [@](#): > > **Guinastasia** said: > Perhaps because that’s how you always come off here-constantly going rabid anytime someone disagrees with you? I’ve gone out of my way and done nice things for people and been repaid with an endless ‘fuck you’ from some of them. I’m not really worried about what you think of me. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/77 "2006-08-10T17:42:05Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Lincoln McPieflag? I snorted waaay hard on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/78 "2006-08-10T17:51:41Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Could someone explain what is hyper defensive or angry and mean about: > > > [@](#): > > > > If you wouldn’t do it for an able bodied man, you don’t need to do it for me. **I’m female, not handicapped, and I’m perfectly capable of opening a door for myself**. If I need help I will ask for it. Until then, assume that I can take care of myself. > > Seems pretty reasonable and the only rebuttal given her is “It’s tradition, you angry idiot” It’s the bolded part. **catsix** seems to be making two assumptions here. 1. The gentleman in quesiton only holds doors for ladies 2. He thinks women are frail defenseless creatures who can’t take care of themselves. It’s sort of a verbal slap in the face to extend a social gesture and have it thrown back at you. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/79 "2006-08-10T17:52:40Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > … > Oh, god, I hate the name George. You’re boyfriend is Yankee Doodle? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112/80 "2006-08-10T17:54:29Z")
How about the guys who practically run a girl over to get in front of them to open the door for them? Can I find that annoying or would it be bitchy of me? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-miss-ogynist-miss-andryst-miss-anthrope-miss-thang-ahem-dear-catsix/368112.md?page=5)