# Dear Morons: VET YOUR GODDAMN SOURCES **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841 "2012-04-15T14:41:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/41 "2012-04-16T15:09:32Z")
“Francis Bacon was delicious.” – the Earl of Sandwich ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/42 "2012-04-16T21:01:54Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > “Shakespeare was a prick” – Queen Elizabeth You forgot the number. It’s QE1.5 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/44 "2012-04-17T17:56:50Z")
Go back to your hole. I’m not going to take the word of a Birther website that this woman represented Obama at a hearing and even if she did, there is nothing in any of your sites that offers any evidence the birth certificate is a fraud, or that any of Obama’s attorneys (whoever they are) have admitted any such thing. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/45 "2012-04-17T17:59:13Z")
> [@Dipshit\_Slayer](#): > > the party will be at my house when he’s evicted. > > 🙂 I was going to say that it’s a shame you’ll have to drink all that booze alone, but it sounds like you’ve already started… ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/46 "2012-04-17T17:59:53Z")
> [@Dipshit\_Slayer](#): > > If there’s anything that amuses me, it is liberal idiots who get so easily offended by criticism of their beloved fuhrer. Alexandra Hill, of the firm of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi of Newark, New Jersey, did represent Obama in the New Jersey primary ballot objection hearing on April 10, 2012, whether the all-mighty Snopes acknowledges it, whether you found this information in your 10-second Google search, whether the biased, liberal, mainstream media reports it, or not. > > For an in-depth summary of that hearing by the plaintiff’s attorney, read more here: > > [http://puzo1.blogspot.com/](http://puzo1.blogspot.com/) > > After gluing your pinata-like head back together, be sure to do YOUR homework, verifying that Alexandra Hill is actually an attorney, employed by the firm named above: > > [http://www.genovaburns.com/attorney\_detail.aspx?aid=103](http://www.genovaburns.com/attorney_detail.aspx?aid=103) > > Also, read the Final Decision by Secretary of State, Kimberly M. Guadagno, issued on April 14, 2012, on the Nicholas E. Purpura and Theodore T. Moran v. Barack Obama New Jersey Primary Ballot Objection. A copy of her decision may be read here: > > [http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d/89431332-Final-Decision-of-SOS-in-Purpura-Moran-Ballot-Objection-4-12-12](http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d/89431332-Final-Decision-of-SOS-in-Purpura-Moran-Ballot-Objection-4-12-12) > > Now, you may be elated in the facts that this hearing’s outcome and decision reached by the NJ SOS appear to have been in favor of your fuhrer, but the ALJ’s decision and the NJ SOS’ decision are being appealed to the New Jersey Superior Court. The overturning of lower courts’ decisions by superior courts happens frequently, whether or not you believe it or understand anything about the law or the U.S. Constitution. Only time will tell if a superior court judge sees the facts and the evidence that only the deaf, dumb and blind choose to ignore. Whether impeached, proven to be ineligible for re-election or simply voted out of office, the party will be at my house when he’s evicted. > > 🙂 lol ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/47 "2012-04-17T18:11:59Z")
> [@Dipshit\_Slayer](#): > > Whether impeached, proven to be ineligible for re-election or simply voted out of office, the party will be at my house when he’s evicted. No parties at your house until January 20, 2017. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/48 "2012-04-17T18:28:10Z")
> [@Dipshit\_Slayer](#): > > Now, you may be elated in the facts that this hearing’s outcome and decision reached by the NJ SOS appear to have been in favor of your fuhrer, but the ALJ’s decision and the NJ SOS’ decision are being appealed to the New Jersey Superior Court. The overturning of lower courts’ decisions by superior courts happens frequently, whether or not you believe it or understand anything about the law or the U.S. Constitution. Only time will tell if a superior court judge sees the facts and the evidence that only the deaf, dumb and blind choose to ignore. Whether impeached, proven to be ineligible for re-election or simply voted out of office, the party will be at my house when he’s evicted. > > 🙂 _Yawn_. OK assuming you aren’t just trolling: How many court cases have your Birthtards won? Isn’t the record something like 0-600 for you. That doesn’t even bring up all the admonishments made of the morally challenged racists who brought these cases in the first place. How much does Orly owe in fines? There will be no party at your house. There will merely be a name for your pain. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/49 "2012-04-17T18:31:30Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > There will be no party at your house. There will merely be a name for your pain. Are you going to leave him his perfect ears so he can hear the screams? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/50 "2012-04-17T22:00:48Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > lol Ladies and gentlemen: the correct way to respond to junk like that. **Dipshit** (I can call you dipshit, can’t I?), some things are just not worth people’s times. For example, imagine someone made a post stating that the world is flat, and that those who disagreed with him were blind fools and clearly in denial, and then proceeded to cite a bunch of sources you didn’t recognize, sources of _extremely_ questionable value and objectivity, would you indulge him by going through those sources and debunking them? Or would you simply laugh at him, because he’s acting so hilariously moronic that it’s not even funny? That’s what we’re going through with you. Your sources are, in order: – A layman’s blog with NO credentials (and not even a decent CMS skin) – Not helping your case at all; her existence is rather useless to us – A document that says _the same thing we have been saying all this time_: **you, dipshit, just like the rest of the birthers, are full of it**. You do not have an argument that holds up in ANY reputable court of law. A less idiotic group would give up. You, dipshit… don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/51 "2012-04-17T22:19:35Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > … **Dipshit** (I can call you dipshit, can’t I?), … THAT was beautiful! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/52 "2012-04-18T13:53:08Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Yes, and the building he blew up was also about to lunge at him. 😛 Well, a drunken telephone pole once staggered into my car … ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/53 "2012-04-18T14:17:43Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Well, a drunken telephone pole once staggered into my car … …and then won a battle of wits with **Dipshit Slayer**. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/54 "2012-04-18T14:36:05Z")
> [@Dipshit\_Slayer](#): > > If there’s anything that amuses me, it is liberal idiots who get so easily offended by criticism of their beloved fuhrer. Alexandra Hill, of the firm of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi of Newark, New Jersey, did represent Obama in the New Jersey primary ballot objection hearing on April 10, 2012, whether the all-mighty Snopes acknowledges it, whether you found this information in your 10-second Google search, whether the biased, liberal, mainstream media reports it, or not. Well done. You have established that Attorney Alexandra Hill represented President Obama in an administrative hearing. Thus, there is one fact in the post discussed by the OP that is actually true. Unfortunately, the Mario Appuzo blog you cited shows that the rest of it is utter nonsense: > [@](#): > > I then offered that I would not need to have Mr. Wilcox testify, provided that Obama stipulated that the internet image of his birth certificate could not be used as evidence by either Judge Masin or the New Jersey Secretary of States and that he presented to the court or the Secretary of State no other evidence of his identity or place of birth. Judge Masin also asked Obama’s attorney whether she would so stipulate. She did so stipulate, agreeing that both the court and the Secretary of State cannot rely on the internet birth certificate as evidence of Obama’s place of birth and that Obama has produced no other evidence to the court regarding his place of birth. She also argued that Obama has no legal obligation to produce any such evidence to get on the primary ballot. Nowhere did Ms. Hill “admit the birth certificate is a fake”. She stipulated that _the internet-hosted image of the birth certificate is not admissible as evidence._ > [@](#): > > Only time will tell if a superior court judge sees the facts and the evidence that only the deaf, dumb and blind choose to ignore. Whether impeached, proven to be ineligible for re-election or simply voted out of office, the party will be at my house when he’s evicted. Time has pretty much told, and so far every judge has seen the facts and evidence that the deaf, dumb and blind have chosen to ignore: Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States. Now, let me ask you this: is **Dipshit Slayer** supposed to be a fanciful handle or a descriptive title? If it’s the latter, and you’re actually a Birther, you’ll have to kill yourself. Or maybe change your name. Or you could just admit that the Tea Party Tribune post under discussion is horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/55 "2012-04-19T00:11:36Z")
So, is our Birthtard a one-shot dribble pistol? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/56 "2012-04-19T01:03:55Z")
Looks like he was a one shot dribble sock, actually. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/57 "2012-04-19T02:17:04Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > Never let facts get in the way of a good story. [![](http://demwits.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/al-gore-facts.jpg) ](http://demwits.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/al-gore-facts.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841/58 "2012-04-19T04:44:16Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > [http://demwits.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/al-gore-facts.jpg](http://demwits.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/al-gore-facts.jpg) Big Al Gore :sigh: Just in case it is not Poe’s law, let see what a Conservative Republican Scientist at BYU had to say about _An Inconvenient Truth_: > **[“Why Don’t You Bash Al Gore?”](https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2010/10/03/why-dont-you-bash-al-gore/)** > > Since I took the plunge and started publicly criticizing certain climate change contrarians, notably certain Utah politicians and Christopher Monckton, people on the other side of the fence have of… > [@](#): > > 1. Gore’s documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth”, is not that bad, frankly. > > Yes, there are a couple errors. Yes, in a few cases he focuses on “worst-case scenarios,” rather than communicating the full range of risk. But the fact is that he got the most important points right, and the problems aren’t that serious from the perspective of most scientists who have examined the movie. Tim Lambert collected reactions from a number of scientists about a list of nine alleged errors in the movie, for example. While they didn’t always agree about the status of individual “errors,” there was general agreement that the list was too long. In most cases, it was questionable whether they were really errors at all. > > In the cases where Gore presented “worst-case scenarios” instead of depicting the full range of risk, try to look at it from the perspective of the scientists involved. The vast majority of scientists are saying, “Human-induced climate change is very likely to be a very big problem, and somewhat likely to be a very, very big problem.” Are they supposed to get all worked up when a popularizer like Gore goes around saying it will be a very, very big problem? The reaction of most scientists has been exactly what it should be. ”Well, maybe he overstated his case somewhat, but he got the gist right.” > > Now, contrast this with someone like Christopher Monckton, who goes about proclaiming that climate change is a “non-problem,” and to support his case he completely misrepresents the scientific literature he cites. Whom do you think scientists are going to want to spend their time criticizing? > > And no, I didn’t vote for Gore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-morons-vet-your-goddamn-sources/618841.md?page=2)