# Dear NH, Fuck you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831 "2008-01-09T06:13:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/81 "2008-01-09T19:30:23Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] You know, when it comes to Presidents, I’m pretty close to ready for one who, if frustrated, will sit down and have a good cry, maybe a pint of Ben and Jerry’s. Compared to, say, launching a war. I could live with that. [/QUOTE] I hear Ben and Jerry are launching a new flavor called “Shock and Awe”. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/82 "2008-01-09T19:35:30Z")
[QUOTE=Slypork] Thank god Hillary is post-menopause ‘cause I’d hate to see her PMSing. Terrific. What’s next? Get the cast of _The View_ to be cabinet members? [/QUOTE] Gosh, I’m glad posters try so hard to hide their misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/83 "2008-01-09T19:37:16Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I hear Ben and Jerry are launching a new flavor called “Shock and Awe”. [/QUOTE] Spelled “Choc and Ahhh!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/84 "2008-01-09T19:38:20Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] Spelled “Choc and Ahhh!” [/QUOTE] You know, I was trying to come up with some clever little pun like that, but none of the ones I thought of were any good. I like yours, though! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/85 "2008-01-09T19:39:53Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I hear Ben and Jerry are launching a new flavor called “Shock and Awe”. [/QUOTE] “Shock and Almonds”, surely. It seems to me that you would have to already disliked Hillary quite a bit to say she was tearing up because “she was the only one who could lead us”. She was making a point that not everyone (obviously including herself) gets into politics for cynical power trips. It’s a pretty common political line and I’m perplexed how anyone could interpret “deeply personal” as some sort of pompous/self-important statement. She’s just saying “it’s more than a job to me”. Maybe it should be filed in the “no shit” category but I doubt she would deny that it’s “deeply personal” to Obama as well as herself. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/86 "2008-01-09T19:44:30Z")
[QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] Except, as has been pointed out a hundred times now in this thread, there were no tears. Jesus Christ, it’s no wonder you people don’t bother to watch the clip - you don’t even bother to read the posts in this thread. Moo, Woody [/QUOTE] Her eyes clearly welled up with tears. I’ve seen it both on video and in still photos. You can choose to define tears by whether or not they actually ran down her cheek, but the fact of the matter is that she teared up and there was a small but definite catch in her voice as she beat back the emotion. Now I don’t particularly have a problem with a candidate crying under certain circumstances, and I’ve known of her propensity for crying since reading George Stepanopoulous’ memoir several years ago in which he describes vividly her inclination toward ferocious behind-the-scenes tears and tantrums. My objections regarding Hillary have to do with her evasiveness and dishonesty, and the feeling that she believes with all her heart that if people knew what she was really like and what she really wanted to do, they’d never vote for her in a million years…so she lies, dissembles and evades giving straight answers on anything in the hope (possibly to be realized) that American voters will put her in office simply because she’s the most well-known and well-funded Democrat. She and her husband are both such eager, aggressive and shameless liars that even their own former supporters sometimes turn against them - ala David Geffen, who remarked that while he believed most politicians lie, the Clintons do it with such ease that it’s troubling. So the reason the tears are getting so much airplay is because a great many people in this country are interested in trying to determine if they were actually real or just more poll-driven Clintonesque manipulation. Now, what does that tell you about her as a person? ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/87 "2008-01-09T19:49:46Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] …She and her husband are both such eager, aggressive and shameless liars that even their own former supporters sometimes turn against them - ala David Geffen, who remarked that while he believed most politicians lie, the Clintons do it with such ease that it’s troubling… [/QUOTE] I think you mean David Gergen…? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Rosewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/898d66/32.png) [@Mr.Rosewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Rosewater)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/88 "2008-01-09T19:52:41Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Not sure how you figure that. And even with her NH “win”, Obama still has more total delegates than Clinton. ```auto State Obama Clinton [Iowa](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA) 16 15 [New Hampshire](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NH) 09 09 [Total To Date](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/) **25** **24** ``` [/QUOTE] I may be wrong but, I read **Shoshana** ’s post as referring to Edwards just beating Clinton, but Clinton getting more delegates from the Iowa caucuses. Edwards got 30% of the vote and 14 delegates. Clinton got 29% of the vote and 15 delegates. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/89 "2008-01-09T19:53:53Z")
I don’t much favor Hillary for reasons of policy, she’s too triangulated, too “centrist” (Which to me means too much beholden to corporados…) but I think she’d be an OK President, the bar being lowered so far as it has, she could hardly miss. Ain’t crazy about her, but, yeah, she’d do. Long as we have a solidly progressive Congress to keep an eye on her. But if she’s a bit worn out by a schedule that would kill a med school resident in training…well, it means she doesn’t have as good a connection for meth as Obama does. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/90 "2008-01-09T19:55:03Z")
[QUOTE=a35362] I think you mean David Gergen…? [/QUOTE] No, it was Geffen. Here’s a [link](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2007-02-22-raasch_x.htm)to it from _USA Today_. ---
**Author:** ![Slypork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@Slypork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slypork)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/91 "2008-01-09T20:00:26Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Gosh, I’m glad posters try so hard to hide their misogyny. [/QUOTE] I’m just being a smart-ass because of \*\* elucidator’s\*\* comment about a president > [@](#): > > who, if frustrated, will sit down and have a good cry, maybe a pint of Ben and Jerry’s. You don’t think the idea of a frustrated woman crying and eating ice cream isn’t a little misogynistic? I’d rather that she stand up to the things that frustrate her and not crumble under them. Same with any leader. You can’t lead when you are curled up on the couch eating Chunky Monkey straight out of the pint container and going through a box of Kleenex. I can’t picture Margaret Thatcher sobbing on a settee when HMS _Sheffield_ was hit. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/92 "2008-01-09T20:03:19Z")
[QUOTE=Slypork] one that won’t take crap from tinpot Venezuelan dictators. [/QUOTE] You know what really sucks for “dictators”? When they try to get the constitution amended to abolish term limits for their office, and the referendum fails. That’s when it sucks to be a dictator. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/93 "2008-01-09T20:04:35Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] So the reason the tears are getting so much airplay is because a great many people in this country are interested in trying to determine if they were actually real or just more poll-driven Clintonesque manipulation. Now, what does that tell you about her as a person? [/QUOTE] To be honest, it tells me more about the people doing the determining. Though I do believe there are plenty of valid reasons for not wanting her to get the nomination, this incident sure as hell isn’t one of them. Crying takes the sad out of you, Woody ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/94 "2008-01-09T20:13:42Z")
[QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] To be honest, it tells me more about the people doing the determining. [/QUOTE] Do you really mean this? That, for people to be suspicious of her motives because she’s a known liar and manipulator, it says more negative things about them than her? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/95 "2008-01-09T20:14:27Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] “Shock and Almonds”, surely. It seems to me that you would have to already disliked Hillary quite a bit to say she was tearing up because “she was the only one who could lead us”. She was making a point that not everyone (obviously including herself) gets into politics for cynical power trips. It’s a pretty common political line and I’m perplexed how anyone could interpret “deeply personal” as some sort of pompous/self-important statement. She’s just saying “it’s more than a job to me”. Maybe it should be filed in the “no shit” category but I doubt she would deny that it’s “deeply personal” to Obama as well as herself. [/QUOTE] Here’s how it was reported in the NYT, included the exact quote of what she said: > [@](#): > > “I have so many opportunities from this country, I just don’t want to see us fall backwards,” she said, her eyes visibly wet, as a row of news photographers began snapping away to capture the moment. “This is very personal for me – it’s not just political, it’s not just public, I see what’s happened. We have to reverse it.” > > “It’s about our country, it’s about our kids’ futures,” she said > > “Some of us put ourselves out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds. And we do it, each one of us, because we care about our country. But some of us are right and some of us are wrong,” she continued, firming up a bit – and sounding, some people said, either angry or resentful about Senator Barack Obama. “Some of us are ready and some of us are not. Some of us know what we’ll do on day one and some of us really haven’t thought that through enough.” So, we’re going to slip backwards if she doesn’t get the nomination? Like I said, fuck that. She works so hard to make American better? What a crock-- she’s a power hungry politician, and she’s working hard so she can become president. That’s why she turns a lot of people off. But I don’t dislike her. I said I’d vote for her. She’s not the only power-hungry pol out there, just the one who happened to be hypocritical about it the other day on national TV. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/96 "2008-01-09T20:19:10Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] No, it was Geffen. Here’s a [link](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/raasch/2007-02-22-raasch_x.htm)to it from _USA Today_. [/QUOTE] Oh. Okay then! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/97 "2008-01-09T20:23:31Z")
[QUOTE=a35362] Oh. Okay then! 😛 [/QUOTE] No worries. 🙂 Besides, Gergen may well have said something similar, I’m just not aware of it if he did. ---
**Author:** ![Slypork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@Slypork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slypork)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/98 "2008-01-09T20:34:27Z")
Hillary said: > [@](#): > > “It’s about our country, it’s about our kids’ futures,” she said Finally! Somebody’s thinking of the children! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/99 "2008-01-09T20:35:14Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] Do you really mean this? That, for people to be suspicious of her motives because she’s a known liar and manipulator, it says more negative things about them than her? [/QUOTE] Yes, especially if they’re not equally suspicious of every other candidate running. “Known liar and manipulator” may as well be the 2nd dictionary definition of “politician” anyway; why she should get singled out more than the others tells me there’s something else besides a love of truth and integrity that’s fueling their disgust. Dendrites are go!, Woody ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831/100 "2008-01-09T20:38:26Z")
I love this recent headline … NH primary turnout sets record So where the hell were you all in 2004 when you could have set the stage to dump Dubya without worrying about a repeat of Florida in the general election? You folks just can’t live up to your state motto. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-nh-fuck-you/432831.md?page=6)