Dear Parents of my Students: It's Your Fault. (F that 'sensitivy training'!)

Thanks for the support. I really appreciate it. Everything I ranted about was, well, true, but not something we were allowed to say in teacher ed classes. At least, not above a whisper. It’s most certainly not what we’re supposed to be saying in higher academia when we ask ourselves, “Is our children learning?” :wink: The things I rant about with other teachers or in private company is not something that we really talk about in teacher ed or conferences or in the education magazines. It sounds insensitive when we do that. Racist. Ethnocentric. Elitist. Anything but honest. My boss/admin grew up in Baltimore and he is very sympathetic to a lot of these kids, but not to their parents. (He, too, saw his brother shot when he was just a kid.) I also appreciate that he will tell the superintendent, “Hey, we don’t do magic here. We can’t fix their homes. We do what’s right, and we hope it sticks with some of them.” He rolls his eyes when he hears that our attendance goals are 90 per cent and pass rate 80 per cent. He leaves it up to us if we want to fudge numbers and give passing Ds to kids who can’t (or wouldn’t) read and write all year. I don’t. I gave out mostly Fs for the first quarter - even to the kids I really, really adored. If you didn’t do the work, I won’t give you credit! (There is one teacher at our center who regularly helps the students cheat with Google…grrr.)

In response to Argent Tower’s question, I actually do ask kids why they act that way. I try to do this in private, but a lot of my students have anger issues and they know they act like shitheads. They’ll say, “I’m sorry, Miss, I know, I’m gonna do better…” and they can’t quite figure out how to regulate themselves. I do what I can to teach those tools, but I’m a teacher, not a shrink. Usually I phrase it like, “Student C, what’s up? Why all those nasty words?” and then further explain, “I have a job to do, too. You understand why it’s not cool for me when you talk to me like that?” and (my favorite) “Do you talk to your mom that way? Your boss? Let’s respect each other, okay? How can I help you feel better right now?” Kids will 9/10 times own up to their actions, even grudgingly. Even if they say, “I called you a fucking bitch because fucking I hate you and you’re always up in my business an’ I ain’t playin’ around!” they’ll admit that they’re out of line. And after awhile (these convos last 10-20 mins in the hall), they will say something like, “Miss, I just get so damned mad! I can’t help it!” and I say, “Okay, well, do me a favor. If you start using that language, just check yourself. Say, ‘Oh, sorry, Miss’ and I’ll appreciate that. And if I see you getting upset, I’ll let you cool off and we’ll take it to the hallway. Or you can just tell me you want to be alone. But you can’t talk to me that way. It won’t happen here. If you can’t handle this, you go home. Period. And then we’ll try it again tomorrow.”

I think this approach works (most of the time). It’s not magic, and no one changes overnight, but I’ve had some very bad attitudes change (towards me) over the course of the last eight weeks. I remember last week a girl was angry at me and she was like, “Fucking — sorry, Miss — this is so frigging stupid, why I gotta do this damned work?! Hey, I can say ‘damn’! Why you gotta be in my faaaaaace? Shii----shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggh! BAD WORDS!”

re: Immigration: I am angry at parents who have lied to their kids about status or never took the steps to correct it. Most of them came here with papers and the papers expired. Or maybe only mom or dad has papers and they came later. Parents have to take care of that. I have SO MANY students who just missed the five year extension lapse deadline for getting a new visa and now they’re stuck: conversational Spanish skills, good English, no papers, no chance of much now. If they go home, they trigger a five or ten year ban. Their only options seem like gangs and/or babies. (Try to get THAT student motivated to do well in class or go to college!)

I have a student with a deadbeat dad, right? His dad left twelve years ago. Guess what? His dad is a citizen. This kid has no papers. None. So he finally found his dad online and his dad didn’t give a damn. He’s a sweet kid, really - a tad lazy, can’t read well, tries to act tough but he really isn’t. He seeks the approval of adults. He’s also ‘associated’ with the gang that has been ‘stalking’ the other boy.

Oh, my god. I hate gangs. They take kids and turn them into criminals (or worse: take kids, get them into trouble, and kids are locked up with real criminals). The ‘adults’ run those rings. I teach in the Denver metro area - which isn’t anything like DC or East LA - and I still see how it ruins people’s lives. Innocent people, too. Kids!

Today I fed a student. Again. The drawback about kids coming to our center (for expelled kiddos) is that we don’t feed them. At their old schools, they got free breakfast and lunch. Sometimes we have kids that eat nothing until 1 or 2 in the afternoon, and it’s usually junk. Sounds weird, but hungry kids make me the angriest. I’d like to feed all 40 of them every day, but I can’t. I keep granola bars in my desk. Not the most nutritious thing, but they’re cheap and will kill the stomach pain for awhile. Some of these kids don’t have a lot of food because their parents don’t take care of them and some just don’t because their moms try but it doesn’t go far. A bowl of cereal at 6am. School til 11. Not a full meal til dinner.

Thanks again for the encouragement. I get so frustrated by the defeatist attitude I see everyday. Admittedly, sometimes it’s my own.

//end rant

A moving, lovely, thoughtful, insightful and intelligent post. You have a lot of empathy for kids that really need you. Keep at it, CP. Even if the parents sometimes make you crazy you’re the one the kids need.

I write this as a former teacher. I couldn’t take the job anymore after dealing with some of the brattier kids and their truly asshole parents. At one point a kid threw piece of chalk at me. Hit me right in the face and left an ugly mark. I called his parents that night. The first words out of his mom’s mouth were, “What did you do to him?” When I said, “I tried to teach him. I’ll never make that mistake again,” and then hung up I knew teaching was not for me.

You really sound like the patience and determination necessary to succeed at a truly difficult task.

And here I thought we were supposed to blame the teachers for students not doing well, not getting high test scores, and so on.

That’s what you hear most of the time, anyway. Thank goodness for a refreshingly honest OP.

I have nothing but sympathy, and mostly admiration, for you CitizenPained. I know without any doubts that I am constitutionally incapable of doing the job you do, but I am very, very glad that you and others like you are out there doing it.

My parents always had good relations with my teachers, and were involved as much as they could be in my education. My wife is the daughter of schoolteachers, and so we’ve tried to emulate their behavior in approaching education as a team venture, with us and the schoolteachers on the same side. Unfortunately, the parent/teacher relationship has become so adversarial in so many cases, that the institutions have made it difficult to create that team environment.

WARNING! Anecdote ahead. Our youngest is extremely bright. She was in middle school in a very good school district (Naperville, IL), and was not getting good grades. We knew there was something behavioral going on, and did everything we could at home to get her on the right track, but weren’t having a lot of luck. so, we scheduled a conference with her teacher.

The teacher told us that our daughter’s basic problem was that she wasn’t turning homework in on time. When we asked what the teacher was doing about that, she said, “well, for a day late we take 10 points off, for two days late we take 20 off…” and we knew right then what the issue was. Our daughter was doing the math, and figuring out exactly how long she could procrastinate and still get a passing, albeit low grade.

We told the teacher, “Not our child. If she turns it in late, mark it as a zero.” “We can’t do that,” was the answer. We offered to sign as many permissions, releases, etc. as were necessary, but the teacher’s hands were tied.

The story ends well; for various reasons she eventually got her act together, graduated high school a year early, got her BS in three years, her MS in 1-1/2 years (while studying for and taking the CPA exam), and now has a good job with one of the Big 4 accounting firms. But it wasn’t easy, and had we been a little less attentive it could have all gone wrong. I guess my point is that it seems like enough school systems have done enough caving to bitching parents, that I fear the entire educational infrastructure is wrecked beyond repair.

So, to reiterate, thank you CP for being so dedicated. I would have been proud to have you as one of our teachers.

Thank you. I must be excessively hormonal because I am getting teary-eyed. Eeesh!

I would note, however, that ‘dealing with’ a habitually late homework-doer isn’t taking off ten per cent. ‘Dealing with’ it is calling the parents and sitting down with the kid and figuring out how to fix it so it doesn’t happen again…but that was a few decades ago! :slight_smile: I would have loved to have you as a parent in my class!

Some good news: If my adviser and his adviser approve, I may be able to help form a partnership with a sustainable farming practice that will provide fresh fruit and milk once a week for breakfast. I did a poll today - this is what my students had for breakfast:

Coffee only (two students)
Bagel & coffee (one – an 8th grader!)
Donuts (one)
Milk only ( one student)
Waffles & bacon (two students)
Sugar cereal (three students)
Healthy cereal (one)
Nothing (eighteen students)

Unfortunately, have high absences, but of all students present, only eight kids ate food before coming to school.

Errr, not counting the two I fed two this morning - one a granola bar and I gave the other my cottage cheese.

My hat’s off to you. I couldn’t do it. I thought about doing it, but teaching scares the crap out of me.

It’s always the parents. My husband does therapy with children and adolescents, and has worked in youth shelters, and it’s always the goddamn parents. But if I could get macro for a moment, those parents weren’t just born douchebags. They were kids with shitty parents and all the potential in the world once. Not saying you haven’t tried this, but I wonder if it’s possible to get in touch with that sense of loss with the parents, maybe help them believe in a better future for their kids.

Either way, it’s too much for one person. Thanks for fighting the good fight.

CP, I hear you.

My old lady is a teacher. Elementary, 3rd to 5th, she’s been bounced around.

Your stories do not surprise me in the least, and honestly I think you are holding back.

Here, you have the to fight the parents AND the administration. My old lady has to have a meeting with a parent to apologize for telling the precious little violent, useless angel that his “mother doesn’t work here”, so he needed to pick up after himself. Apparently the principal finds it appalling that a teacher would expect a student to pick up after themselves.

Actually, the principal doesn’t give 2 shits one way or the other, they just don’t want the parent to go “downtown”. They will sell the teachers flat out down the river to not rock the boat with the upper ups.

What’s best for the child, the classroom and the teacher, that has no place in the educational system, at least not here, its all politics, and the teachers are the ones that get screwed, and in turn the students get screwed even worse.

Some of the stories my old lady comes home with are so so sad. School should not be the only place where somebody gives you a hug. School should not be the only place you get to eat. She had one kid that went to the nurse every morning, it was the only place she could take a shower.

Child protective services doesn’t care either. Unfounded cases where they don’t have to do anything bring as much $$$$ into the department as the actual real cases where they have to do work.

So the parents don’t care, the administration doesn’t care, child protective services doesn’t care, and none of them do anything, but its the teachers fault.

What a sick twisted little world we live in.

And often those kids don’t even have the option to go “back home” (to a country which may not even be the one they were born in): they don’t speak the language.

You may be “wrong,” but you’re RIGHT.
When I was in school (get off my lawn!) we gave teachers the same respect we gave our parents. Because if you didn’t, you got it twice as bad when you got home.
A few years after I graduated high school I heard about a class that closed the teacher up in the supple closet, and was flabergasted. They got away with it.
That was the beginning of the end.
If parents don’t back up & support the people who are with their kids maybe more waking hours than they are, then all is lost. If the only 10 per cent you spend in caring about your kids is spent on pointing fingers, crying “Foul,” then what, exactly, have your children learned?
Please hang in there. We need teachers who care. Not all of us are blind.

You should be a teacher. Clearly you know just how to reeeeeeach these keeeeeeds.

/me respectfully removes her hat and bows to the OP

Thank you for doing your best to educate us*!

*I say ‘us’ because I am a college freshman. :smiley:

**CitizenPained **,
I mean this sincerely - I would love to help you coordinate the purchase of a daily breakfast for all of your students. I am sure that Dopers would love to contribute $ or food for you. PM me or ask permission to start a “charity” thread. We get a little thrill, kids get food, everyone benefits.

First of all, I am mindful of Up The Down Staircase. A favorite book of mine and liked the movie well enough. But the book was great.

My mom was a special ed teacher in the city of Philadelphia in the 1960’s and 70’s. I related to troubled kids in the novel in a major way. The desultory manner, the disrespect, the anger, etc. All there in the novel and a smidgen in terms of true danger of what teachers face now. The language expressed in the OP is not an exaggeration in any way. It is degrading, threatening, horrific, savage, amoral and foul in the extreme. A dedicated teacher becomes a defensive angry frightened cautious human, afraid to go to work, to speak to children, to meet with parents.

There’s nothing romantic or nostalgic about schoolkids. Agreed with the poster who said that kids want to do well, want to perform and gain approval. It is how young children are wired, but that wiring can be torn away very rapidly at an early age. And frequently is.

Sad. And tiring. And does not say much about the future of this planet.

So today, this kid goes to my boss (our director for this program location) and says he wants a new teacher. He says I am 1) mean 2) don’t grade him fairly 3) tease him and 4) he’s thinking of dropping out if I am his advisory/grading teacher.

Now, this kid is smart enough and polite enough if he’s always getting his way. If he has to do something he doesn’t want to, it’s, “You can’t do your job…this isn’t fair…you aren’t doing this right…you can’t handle your work load, I’ll just talk to Mr. _____ (my boss)”, etc. TO ME. HE TALKS TO ME LIKE THAT. He has told me three times in one week in front of staff and students that I ‘am not doing my job’. I flat-out tell him that’s not gonna work- he can’t just get a new teaching advisor. We have to work it out our conflict. I tried SO HARD to be positive as I was getting accused of mental abuse.

Everything we do is on a rubric or is automatically scored by a computer. There is little subjectivity in grading. I will not pass him through because he thinks he’s entitled. He was angry at his courseload, took it out on me, I did not waive enough requirements for him to get it done, so he’s taking zero responsibility. He said, “I cannot come to school with Miss CP as my teacher. I am not comfortable around her. I don’t feel respected or safe with her.”

Well, this kid has 75-80 per cent attendance (which is bad in an alternative school where it’s only 4 hours a day anyway) and didn’t turn in 40 per cent of his work. But did I get backed up?

No, my boss said that while he knew the kid was being a manipulative shit, he didn’t want the center’s numbers to go down if the kid stopped coming to school. He actually said, “CP, I gotta cover my ass. I’m trying to get promoted.”

WHAT THE FUCK!

My boss’s take? If the kid is now lying and saying I am making fun of him and taunting him and the kid takes it ‘to the district’, there’s now a harassment/legal issue. I do not do this to the child!

He is also still mad that I moved his seat away from his girlfriend because I caught him cheating twice. He actually said, “I’m not moving til Mr. ____ tells me to.” Yeah, right. I told him to move or I’d have him forcibly moved. He moved, but then complained to my boss about our seating chart – one that four staff members created, by the way! He said I was being unfair! What the hell?! Are you five years old?! He actually tried to argue with me for 15 minutes about how he shouldn’t be moved away from his girlfriend and that I’m “never around to help him” and I’m “too busy with other students”. (Yeah, he just liked being at a Google-accessible computer…) My boss was going to cave - I could tell - but I was really firm on that. No, you cannot sit by your girlfriend and make goo goo eyes all morning. She gives you all the answers because she’s doing the same coursework you are!

So now my authority has been completely pissed on because my boss wants to keep his ‘numbers’ right and doesn’t want to risk a complaint.

That would be so wonderful! I wonder if there’s a way to set up a food wish list on Amazon?

Today I stopped by the store on my way home and got food for a snack mix (dried fruit, nuts, apples, grapes, tiny marshmallows) and some CapriSuns (yeah not healthy but it was something and only 60 calories :/) on sale…but for 38 kids, it gets expensive.

I’m bringing in oatmeal tomorrow for my affective ed. group (the sustainable farming activist friend was at Costco and bought two boxes - 154 packets! because she “didn’t want to wait for paperwork to help”, though she did whine at the all the paper waste :D) and my affective ed. class & I are going to come up with recipes to turn oatmeal into ‘power breakfast’ - I have berries, nuts & bananas for them to experiment with tomorrow. Yes, packeted instant oatmeal is not the best, but my friend wanted to do something NOW.

Then I’m going to distribute those packets to the kids with ‘recipes’ on them and also give them some add-ins to take home. And I’m going to create a breakfast/energy journal. I’m going to make next week Oatmeal Week, I think. Haha!

I’m trying to figure out the least-messiest-least-expensive-most-energy-for-your-buck snack that isn’t junk…any nutritionists on the Board? I really hope we can get some corporate sponsors, a steep discount, something. I am so tired of seeing hungry kids or kids who eat Mickey D’s all week long. I try not to eat around them, but when they see staff eating something fresh and natural, they get so curious:

“What IS that?”

“Cottage cheese.”

“What’s that?”

“…cheese.”

“It tastes like cheese?”

“Yup.”

“Can I have some? I didn’t get no breakfast.”

(hands kid the bowl)

“It tastes like cheese! Dang, this is good! Where you buy this at???”

“The store.”

“Like a special store?”

“No, honey - the grocery store. In the dairy section.”

“It cost a lotta money, right?”

“Bout three bucks.”

“Three dolla? For cheese? I’m gonna ask my mama to buy me some a this cheese!”

:slight_smile:

The nice thing is that since my boss is ‘trying to get promoted’, he’s OK with me doing this breakfast thing, even though he HATES food in the center. :smiley: It makes us both look good to the higher-ups.

I have had kids say things like, “Miss, I got anger problem and you don’t even KNOW how bad I can be!” when they’re given a directive they don’t like. They puff up like Angry Birds and stand at full height and give me The Stink Eye.

Most of the kids are still just kids. They need hugs and high fives and attention and stickers and candy bars. I give all those things. I want to take some of those kids home and plop them on my couch, give them a fuzzy blanket, feed them soft cookies and make them watch Indian in the Cupboard.

You know what the sad thing is? When I got hired, there were no full time positions. My hours are 7-11. I get $19.32 an hour. I usually stay until 1 or 2 to get things done – unpaid. If I don’t, I’m in trouble for not getting the paperwork done.

I have no health insurance, no benefits, no paid time off. And some shit complains to my boss that I’m not doing my fucking job and he doesn’t even back me up.

KUDOS to your mom. SPED in the 60s and 70s was probably a lot worse - less resources, stuck in the basement or back of the school…I’ve heard horror stories.

IANANutritionist (I’ll try to remember and ask a friend who is, tho), but fruit can be high-energy, filling and it’s got those vitamins and minerals and fiber things. Bananas are way high-energy and have lithium (in a form that makes it particularly interesting, it’s bound to an organic structure which is also a part of hemoglobin); oranges and other citruses can be eaten without much of a mess if you learn to peel them and eat piece-by-piece instead of cutting them in half; apples do have more than the Golden variety (I mean, I like Goldens, but the taste and texture of Washington, Reineta, Granny Smith or Fuji are different - and I’ve only named one I don’t like). Other fruits sort of work better for the non-messy part if they’re cut up beforehand (pineapples, melons, watermelons), but I think cantaloupes aren’t very messy.

CP: Contact your local Second Harvest and explain the situation - they may be willing to help supply you at little to no cost. I would presume almost all, if not all, would qualify for free lunches if they were in a public school setting.

Thanks. Private school it was, so I’d go to school with her when my school was closed. Clearly remember walking down the wide beautiful staircase from 2nd to 1st floor. The Elementary School part was in a huge old mansion. As we get to the landing, I hear a scream and turn to see a child sailing through the air. Towards Mom and me. Pencil in fist, raised with violence imminent.

He missed us, hitting the wall and crumpling to the ground. Screaming. Sobbing. Enraged. Mom knelt down and held him till he stopped crying. Pencil in little splinters. Yeah. Kudos to Mom, whose firm yet loving way and belief in any mentally challenged or emotionally disturbed kid made her a killer SPED teacher. :slight_smile: Go Mom.

Much love to you CP. I’ve always felt the more resources and better supported you are… the better my job works out to be.

Similar experiences policing in Cabrini-Green and Robert Taylor and Stateway Gardens… Heartbreaking moments of utter insanity and every now and then a desperate plea for some sort of assistance.

This might cheer ya up…
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150338637043028&set=a.58678613027.67055.500063027&type=1&theater

My hat’s off to you,** CP**. And your boss sucks. What a tool.

:slight_smile:

I brought in plain oatmeal for affective ed. and they were tasked with making it ‘edible’ ;). They had mini marshmallows, raspberries, cranberries/Craisins, raisins, and bananas to pick from. We read a NPR article on oatmeal/power foods and concentration for students and did some ‘brain exercises’ as non-scientific evidence of how much better you do when you eat. Their assignment is to come up with ‘power food’ oatmeal recipes - a breakfast centered around oatmeal that was good for you - and report back the nutritional content, focusing on protein, fiber and sugar. Nava, you will be happy to know that the bananas were consumed!

Today, kids learned what ‘organic’ was. I found some Santa Cruz Organic lemonade at Safeway for 99c a bottle. Being the mother that I am, I counseled them to dilute it with water and watch the sugar content. :smiley: I was surprised that only a few understood the idea behind organic - not just that something may be ‘natural’, but that there are no pesticides used in the production. One kid said, “So is that why my lemonade taste like orange juice?” :stuck_out_tongue: I said, “Well, dear, I imagine that’s what lemons might taste like if you squeezed them and added a bit of sugar and water.” And he said, “It ain’t bad, Miss, it ain’t bad. I can get behind that.”

Oh, yeah. And cottage cheese. More kids said they didn’t know what cottage cheese was (“Is that like Parmesan?”) and the ones that did said it was ‘nasty’ even though they’d never tried it. I get that some people don’t like cottage cheese, but I thought everyone at least knew what it was.

And one kid says that only ‘white people eat cheese’ while another replies that ‘brown people like orange cheese’ and the kid retorts, ‘yeah but white people eat cheese like it real food’ and I realize that I’m lucky to have students that I have such a good relationship with - ones that can be open about what they perceive to be cultural differences in everything, but especially with food. I was also told that putting fruit in oatmeal was a ‘white person thing’ and that ‘black folk’ put butter and syrup on theirs. (Their words, not mine.) Kids will be extremely open about what they think “other people” or “their people” do. I don’t mind it at all, but other teachers follow the cardinal rule of Never Mentioning Anything About Race, Ever.

A student asked me during our affective ed group what kind of music I liked. Another answered for me:

:stuck_out_tongue:

I’m beginning to think I need to have a class that’s about food! Let’s expand our tastebuds a little, eh! I do ‘group’ with 10 kids once a week, usually Wednesdays. I thought if I did a mini-unit on nutrition/food, I could focus on healthier eating (eat this, not that type) and affordable foods. Couple of ideas:

  • Organic - what it means, when it’s useful, when it’s a scam
  • Cheap staples that can be ‘added on’ to (oatmeal, beans, whatever) in a healthy way
  • How often you should eat and caloric intake per meal/best time to eat certain kinds of sugars/proteins/etc
  • Myths about food

Not only that, I want to get them to LIKE good foods…I think the only way to do that is by bringing in samples of new things.

A student raised his hand and said, “Miss, I want to tell the class something about this banana. It’s the ovary of the plant. It’s the most nutritious part. That’s why a tomato is a fruit. Did you know that?”

I said, “I know about tomatoes, but I’ve never looked at a banana and saw an ovary.”

“Yeah, I know all about the ovaries.” (pause) “Yeah, and you’re supposed to eat within thirty minutes of waking up so you feel fullest the longest.”

“Well, that part I did know.”

“Eating the ovary of the plant gives you life. Isn’t that kinda poetic, Miss?”

I am going to brainstorm about the best way to get these kids eating until I can work out some sponsors/donors. I asked a student what he ate for breakfast and he said, “Beans.”

“Beans?”

“That’s poor people’s breakfast, Miss.”

I said (kindly), “Are you serious?”

And he said, “Yeah, miss.” I told him I had a ton of oatmeal in the back room he could have, and he said, “We have oatmeal at home, but it’s for my little sisters - plus I could lose a few pounds.” This is the same kid upthread with the deadbeat dad who is a citizen. >sigh< I gave him some bananas and snack mix.

Sometimes I bring ‘treats’ on Fridays - Popsicles or a small candy or something. I was grocery shopping yesterday and found some good stuff on sale and sent every kid home with:
[ul]
[li]A half-cup of a ‘trail mix’ - (admittedly, the pre-sliced kind) apples, peanuts, craisins, raisins, marshmallows & grapes put into a Ziploc[/li][li]A CapriSun with a little less sugar than the regular kind[/li][/ul]

They were so happy! And yes, they’ll eat granola bars (and the real ones, too) so I’m trying to figure out if I could do something like a food tote program in our school, but for breakfast. Hmmm. rubs hands together On Amazon, you could get a 6-pack (12 ea) of Nature Valley bars.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Pit thread get positive. Cartooniverse, I worked in a setting sort of like that - though not in a mansion. I have been the victim of attempted pencil stabbings multiple times. Had my nose fractured once!

MissTake, I Googled Second Harvest and came up with FeedingAmerica – was that it?

Thanks, guys.