# Dear SUV driver: Not to put too fine a point on it ... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301 "2003-01-17T20:52:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/201 "2003-01-23T23:47:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Oh I love those 'lil disclaimers. > > It’s ok, one of my friends is black. :rolleyes: \*\* Sauron and World Eater have now elevated common perceptions of SUV drivers to the level of racism and anti-Semitism. Get back to me, guys, when we start lynching or gassing SUV drivers. Your comments are offensive and inane. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/202 "2003-01-23T23:55:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*I know that sloppy reading is common on boards/usenet, but that really takes the prize. > > Will you claim that it is totally irrlelevant to observe the class of drivers who drive “ricers”? (Hate that name, btw.) Will you claim that the selection of a “ricer” has absolutely no reflection on their personality? \*\* I have a better idea. Instead of going even further off topic into some shit I could care less about, why don’t you just admit it wasn’t a good idea to blame the SUV driver for the accident that you didn’t see happen. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/203 "2003-01-23T23:58:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*Well it looks like we’re at the point that all SUV hater threads get to, the ignorance loop. > > > [@](#): > > > > - from Pucky\* > > **"I have no beef with legit SUV drivers. Just the posers"** > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _from World Eater_ > > > \ and how do you know which one they are? By looking at them? > > > > > > \*\* Good term World Eater. _Ignorance loop_ Anytime the anti-SUV folks see an SUV at the mall, or commuting to work, they assume the person does not need it. They won’t consider other reasons the person bought it. These folks are so biased the only vehicles they notice are SUV’s. When sombody does something stupid in an SUV, it gets burned into their memory. There are bad drivers in all types of vehicles. SUV’s DO NOT have a corner on this market. The only real negative points about SUV’s are - 1. They use more gas. (we know that) 2. They can roll easier than a car. (basic physics) 3. Big vehicles tend to come out ahead when involved in an accident with smaller vehicles. (again, basic physics) 4. Oh, and the 'I can’t see around them argument. O.K. Same can be said for mini-vans. No one bitches about Mini-Vans, it’s a biased argument. All the rest is based on lack of knowledge, experience and biased casual observations of strangers. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/204 "2003-01-24T00:21:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by enipla \* > \*\* [/quote] Good term World Eater. _Ignorance loop_ Anytime the anti-SUV folks see an SUV at the mall, or commuting to work, they assume the person does not need it. They won’t consider other reasons the person bought it. These folks are so biased the only vehicles they notice are SUV’s. When sombody does something stupid in an SUV, it gets burned into their memory. There are bad drivers in all types of vehicles. SUV’s DO NOT have a corner on this market. The only real negative points about SUV’s are - 1. They use more gas. (we know that) 2. They can roll easier than a car. (basic physics) 3. Big vehicles tend to come out ahead when involved in an accident with smaller vehicles. (again, basic physics) 4. Oh, and the 'I can’t see around them argument. O.K. Same can be said for mini-vans. No one bitches about Mini-Vans, it’s a biased argument. All the rest is based on lack of knowledge, experience and biased casual observations of strangers. \*\* [/QUOTE] Yep that’s it in a nutshell. What do you say Pucky? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/205 "2003-01-24T00:50:21Z")
World Eater: When I lived in NYC, I never drove. Didn’t need to. Where I live now, there is virtually no public transportation, and certainly not at the hours I travel. My compromise is living close to work and driving the most efficient car I could get 10 years ago when I bought it. The next car will be a hybrid. People really want to twist this patriotism issue around to exonerate themselves from accusations no one is making. If you don’t drive a gas guzzler with a foreign-made plastic flag on it, then my criticisms don’t apply to you. Why lash out then when no one is attacking you? I have looked at those bloody awful flags in stores and invariably they are not domestic made. If you found one that wasn’t, bully for you. I personally don’t think the flag was made for bumper decorations. It’s disrespectful, but that’s JMO. YMMV, and I think that was my original point. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/206 "2003-01-24T01:10:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Yep that’s it in a nutshell. What do you say Pucky? Rye chere: 1. They use more gas. 2. They can roll easier than a car. (basic physics) 3. Big vehicles tend to come out ahead when involved in an accident with smaller vehicles. (again, basic physics) and many SUV drivers buy them for the perceived intimidation factor. 4. Oh, and the 'I can’t see around them argument. O.K. Same can be said for mini-vans. No one bitches about Mini-Vans, because minivan drivers haven’t given themselves the same reputation for being asshats. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/207 "2003-01-24T01:13:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*I have a better idea. > > Instead of going even further off topic into some shit I could care less about, why don’t you just admit it wasn’t a good idea to blame the SUV driver for the accident that you didn’t see happen. \*\* I’m not going to let you dodge the issue, worldeater. Will you claim that it is totally irrlelevant to observe the class of drivers who drive “ricers”? (Hate that name, btw.) Will you claim that the selection of a “ricer” has absolutely no reflection on their personality? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/208 "2003-01-24T01:18:53Z")
I can live with this. Two things. It’s good that your next vehicle will be a hybrid, you are obviously aware of the impact you have on the environment. Many people may be doing the same, perhaps by driving similar cars, or by other not so obvious means. Make sure you give them the benefit of the doubt. As far as the flags go, I feel a person that has a flag on their car (no matter where it was made) is trying to show their support for our country, and should deserve my respect. As you said YMMV ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/209 "2003-01-24T01:39:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > Rye chere: > … > 4. Oh, and the 'I can’t see around them argument. O.K. Same can be said for mini-vans. No one bitches about Mini-Vans, **(FROM PUCKY)**-\*because minivan drivers haven’t given themselves the same reputation for being asshats. \* Bullshit. Face it Pucky, your attitude is biased and not based on fact. It was clear as glass when you started this thread and it still is. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Montana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@Tony\_Montana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tony_Montana)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/210 "2003-01-24T15:41:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rubystreak \* > People really want to twist this patriotism issue around to exonerate themselves from accusations no one is making. WhaHuh? > [@](#): > > - Originally posted by Dr\_Paprika > Damn straight. Every American is a supporter of terrorism > [@](#): > > - Originally posted by Dr\_Paprika \* > You, on the other hand, continue to help jackal terrorists oppress the common man. And it has been _said_ elsewhere on this board that if you drive an SUV your _not_ patriotic because it’s a gas-guzzler therfore funding terrorism. Skewed logic in my book, that doesn’t stand to scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![keithnmick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@keithnmick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keithnmick)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/211 "2003-01-24T16:11:53Z")
I don’t know, I think you can easily spot some poseurs. Lexus, Lincoln or Caddy SUVs with no hitch, clearly poseurs. The rest may be trickier, but I’ll bet that there are a hell of a lot more poseurs out there driving SUVs than legitimate Grizzly Adams types. If not, then the explosion in SUV sales would be mirrored by an explosion in people doing shit outside, which hasn’t happened. I think we’re fatter now than ever. The housewife/ commuter in the Expedition rarely needs it. She chose it because of fashion. I also have to agree that driving like a dick is moronic, but more moronic if you’re piloting a massive battering ram that will definitely do the most damage to me possible. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/212 "2003-01-24T17:58:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > Sauron and World Eater have now elevated common perceptions of SUV drivers to the level of racism and anti-Semitism. > > Get back to me, guys, when we start lynching or gassing SUV drivers. Your comments are offensive and inane. No, they aren’t, you ignorant ass. You mentioned stereotypes, and implied they’re grounded in reality. I’m pointing out two stereotypes that have been dealt with by Cecil or someone at the Straight Dope, showing them to be false. My point is that **stereotyping is a bad thing. It exemplifies ignorance**. Who was it that was complaining about reading comprehension in this thread? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Pucky Schumer_ > Big vehicles tend to come out ahead when involved in an accident with smaller vehicles. (again, basic physics) and many SUV drivers buy them for the perceived intimidation factor. Nope. Not gonna fly. I want a cite for the second half of that statement, the one you added. I also want a definition of the word “many” in this context. What are you talking about? Three? Ten? Five thousand? Your “ricer” question is equally inane. Let me show you why (and I’ll type slowly, to aid your reading comprehension): You see a car that has all of the standard “ricer” characteristics. You automatically assume the driver of that car is a “ricer,” and mutter something derogatory under your breath. At the next stop light, you pull up next to the car and glance over. Surprise! It’s a 70-year-old woman driving. How can this be, you ask? Well, perhaps she borrowed her grandson’s car to run to the store. Perhaps she has no concept of “ricers,” but just likes the way her car looks. Perhaps she herself is a “ricer.” The point is, **you don’t know**. Anytime you impute characteristics, real or imagined, of a particular group to someone without knowing them, you’re stereotyping. Which brings us back to the original post (and many of your subsequent posts). You have no idea what caused the accident whose aftermath you witnessed. Your assumption is that the SUV driver was driving in an unsafe manner. You have absolutely no evidence of this, other than your preconceived stereotypes of SUV drivers. You’re impugning that driver with no basis in fact. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by keithnmick_ > The housewife/ commuter in the Expedition rarely needs it. She chose it because of fashion. I hate to break it to you, but fashion (or style or personal preference or whatever you want to call it) is the reason most people choose their cars. And what is the deal with all this “need” crap? Are we now only allowed to purchase vehicles we “need”? When did that happen? And if that’s the case, why on earth are some people allowed to buy sports cars that can go 150 miles an hour? They don’t “need” to go that fast; in fact, it’s against the law to drive that fast in most places. So by your logic, they shouldn’t buy those cars. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/213 "2003-01-24T18:22:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*I can live with this. \*\* You can live with what? Are you accepting the fact that one’s choice in cars does have a reflection on one’s personality? Or are you denying that there is such a thing as car culture? ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/214 "2003-01-24T18:24:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by enipla \* > \*\*Bullshit. > > Face it Pucky, your attitude is biased and not based on fact/\*\* Where did the popular perception of SUV drivers come from? Did the low-mileage crowd just decide to start spreading false rumors about them? Or did SUV drivers earn it with their behavior? ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/215 "2003-01-24T18:29:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*No, they aren’t, you ignorant ass. You mentioned stereotypes, and implied they’re grounded in reality. I’m pointing out two stereotypes that have been dealt with by Cecil or someone at the Straight Dope, showing them to be false. My point is that **stereotyping is a bad thing. It exemplifies ignorance** You cite racial stereotypes. SUV drivers are not a race. SUV ownership is a choice that has a lot to do with personality, just as much as taste in clothes, music, etc. I am going to say something in all seriousness. It is absurd and dangerous to compare trivial matters to something like the Holocaust. You trivialize real suffering. ---
**Author:** ![keithnmick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90db22/32.png) [@keithnmick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keithnmick)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/216 "2003-01-24T18:30:33Z")
I’m not saying people should only buy what they need. I agree they should be allowed to choose to drive anything. I just think that a lot of people don’t consider their choices. The fact that they choose to buy an Expedition to buy groceries and commute with (note : I DID NOT say to haul lumber, extrem kitebike, tow houseboats with) tells me something about the decisions that person makes. Sure fashion plays a part in everything we buy. The hidden costs of choosing a fuel guzzling poor handling big battering ram for a freeway commute still exist though. And lets drop the Lamborghini comparison shall we? The Murcielago is safer, handles better. Still sucks gas, but I don’t see too many of them on the roads. I guess the economy must really be affecting sales. Ferrari sold 74 cars in the US last month (it’s a bigger seller than the Lambo) [http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svcoupe.asp](http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svcoupe.asp) Meanwhile, Chevy sold 17,601 Suburbans last month (not counting all of the other GM trucks that use the same platform) [http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svsuv.asp](http://www.autosite.com/editoria/asmr/svsuv.asp) It’s not about denying people the choice to buy a freaking road beast, it’s about the mentality behind (admittedly not all) of the purchases. It’s kind of embarrasing when you meet someone from outside the USA and see how ridiculous our roads and parking lots look to someone who’s not used to it. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/217 "2003-01-24T18:42:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > **Nope. Not gonna fly. I want a cite for the second half of that statement, the one you added.** Here you go: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > \*\*I never have that sort of problem in my 2002 Mazda Armageddon 4X4. > > I grind Geo Metros and suchlike under my oversized tires and find that it improves traction mightily. \*\* > [@](#): > > Your “ricer” question is equally inane. Let me show you why (and I’ll type slowly, to aid your reading comprehension): I think typing slowly is for your benefit. It doesn’t affect the speed of reading. > [@](#): > > You see a car that has all of the standard “ricer” characteristics. You automatically assume the driver of that car is a “ricer,” and mutter something derogatory under your breath. At the next stop light, you pull up next to the car and glance over. Surprise! It’s a 70-year-old woman driving. Not all marbles are red. Therefore, there are no red marbles. Also, I’d like a cite for this incident, a definition of “next car,” a cite for the number of grandmothers driving ricers, and other **lamer** tactics. > [@](#): > > How can this be, you ask? Well, perhaps she borrowed her grandson’s car to run to the store. Then she is not the one who opted to buy a car like this. Reading comprehension. > [@](#): > > You’re impugning that driver with no basis in fact. The fact is the widely observed behavior of many SUV drivers. > [@](#): > > I hate to break it to you, but fashion (or style or personal preference or whatever you want to call it) is the reason most people choose their cars. Cite, please. Also, I’d like a definition of “most” in this context. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/218 "2003-01-24T19:06:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*Where did the popular perception of SUV drivers come from? Did the low-mileage crowd just decide to start spreading false rumors about them? Or did SUV drivers earn it with their behavior? \*\* I stated some facts. You added your own biased conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/219 "2003-01-24T19:13:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > You cite racial stereotypes. SUV drivers are not a race. SUV ownership is a choice that has a lot to do with personality, just as much as taste in clothes, music, etc. > > I am going to say something in all seriousness. It is absurd and dangerous to compare trivial matters to something like the Holocaust. You trivialize real suffering. Listen carefully to me, here (or read carefully, actually): **THE ACT OF STEREOTYPING IS A BAD THING.** It doesn’t matter if one is stereotyping an ethnicity, a nationality, or a group of people who wash their hair with their left hands and enjoy bird-watching. It’s all bad. I did not compare stereotypes, you pusillanimous twit. I gave examples of faulty stereotypes in an effort to show you that **stereotyping is a bad thing**. It’s a thought-process (or lack thereof) used by small-minded people. I agree that ownership of an SUV is a choice, and that choice is driven, in part, by personality. YOU are the one claiming that “many SUV drivers buy them for the perceived intimidation factor” and SUV drivers have “given themselves the same reputation for being asshats”. You have no cites for that, other than the weak rejoinder “everybody thinks so.” As this thread has proven, not everybody thinks so. Yet you still persist in your slurs. And the beauty of it all, the crowning irony, is that the incident which provoked this thread is something **you didn’t even see happen**. You’re assuming the driver of the SUV that had spun out near your neighborhood was driving poorly, but you don’t know that. Others have even offered possible alternatives regarding the cause of the accident, and you disregarded them. You’re one of the most dangerous types of people in the world, in my opinion: You’d rather cling to your prejudice than accept that your view might be wrong. That’s not debate, or even a rant; that’s cant. And on preview, I can see you’re either ignorant of the uses of hyperbole, or choose not to acknowledge it when it’s staring you in the face. You’re also a master of the _reductio ad absurdum_ method of arguing a point, which is in itself a product of a weak mind. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/220 "2003-01-24T20:06:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > I never have that sort of problem in my 2002 Mazda Armageddon 4X4. > > I grind Geo Metros and suchlike under my oversized tires and find that it improves traction mightily. \*\* That’s not a cite you braindead calico catfeltcher, that’s a joke. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by keithnmick \* > \*\*I don’t know, I think you can easily spot some poseurs. > > Lexus, Lincoln or Caddy SUVs with no hitch, clearly poseurs.\*\* You’ve got to be kidding me! Let me get this straight. If they own any of those brands, and there is no trailer hitch, they are _automatically_ a poseur? You actually look at the vehicle, and say “look at that, no hitch, whoever owns that truck, is a tailgating lane switching fashion whore, who believes they are invincible when they drive.” “Oh and they have a flag, fucking patriot wannabe” \*\* > [@](#): > > I think we’re fatter now than ever. The housewife/ commuter in the Expedition rarely needs it. She chose it because of fashion. \*\* What if she has a trailer hitch? \*\* > [@](#): > > I also have to agree that driving like a dick is moronic, but more moronic if you’re piloting a massive battering ram that will definitely do the most damage to me possible. \*\* Then perhaps you should rant about 18 wheeler truck drivers who are on meth. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*You can live with what? Are you accepting the fact that one’s choice in cars does have a reflection on one’s personality? > > Or are you denying that there is such a thing as car culture? \*\* Great reading comprehension there, I was responding to **Ruby** ’s post. According to the loop of ignorance, we are doomed to debate these final points until the end of time. **Sauron** summed up my stance succinctly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301.md?page=12)