# Dear SUV driver: Not to put too fine a point on it ... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301 "2003-01-17T20:52:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/81 "2003-01-18T21:33:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doc Nickel \* > \*\* Allow me to join the chorus and note that, had the vehicle noted in the OP been _anything but_ an SUV, the poster would have seen it only as an inconvenience, not as further evidence of the evils of SUV-dom. > > One vehicle in an accident, that vehicle being an SUV. By our Amazing Powers of Deduction© we can clearly see that yes indeed, said SUV driver was being an arrogant “I can drive anywhere” prick. It seems so clear.\*\* Not clear, exactly. Just more likely. > [@](#): > > No, it’s simply impossible- far outside the realm of contemplation- for it to have been anything but sheer driver chutzpah. Once, again, on a two-hour drive, I saw two vehicles in ditches. One was an SUV. Hundreds or thousands of other vehicles managed to stay on the road. Why didn’t the SUV? Could it be the lousy road-handling qualities of the SUV combined with the attitude of the driver? > [@](#): > > Couldn’t have been avoiding an animal or other erratic driver. Impossible that there might have been some piece of debris in the road that could have punctured a tire. And the handling characteristics of the SUV make it far less likely to recover in such situations. Combine that with the – yes – arrogance that many such drivers display. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/82 "2003-01-18T21:43:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Mermaid \* > \*\*Dear Fatherclohne, uhm I mean Pucky. > > The search feature is your friend. You however are an idiot, and an unimaginative one at that. Remember SUV’s don’t kill people, no wait, When SUV’s are outlawed, only outlaws…Oh hell with it, this subject and your opinon in regards to is so old tired and just played out I just don’t care anymore. > > :squeals off in Official Suburban of Doom® crushing any who dare to cross her murderous path: \*\* The fuckwit quotient? Steadily growing. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/83 "2003-01-18T21:45:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > **John, it IS you. :eek:** No. Are you having a problem believing that more than one person has seen an obnoxious SUV driver? ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/84 "2003-01-18T22:14:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrMyth \* > \*\*(I’m lookin’ at you there, **Pucky** ) \*\* That explains my sudden wave of nausea. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/85 "2003-01-18T22:29:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*No. Are you having a problem believing that more than one person has seen an obnoxious SUV driver? \*\* Nope. I’ve seen obnoxious SUV drivers myself. I’m simply pointing out that you have the same zealotry about SUVs as a previous banned poster and you linked to his favorite website. You notice how people have been saying stuff like “SCORE!” to you? We’re all referring to Fatherjohn, our long gone but fondly remembered for his comedic value SUV zealot who you have at times resembled. Nothing personal. I don’t happen to agree with you, but my opinion doesn’t really matter anyway. I’m just having a little fun at your expense. ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Nickel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@Doc\_Nickel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doc_Nickel)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/86 "2003-01-18T22:41:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Once, again, on a two-hour drive, I saw two vehicles in ditches. One was an SUV. Hundreds or thousands of other vehicles managed to stay on the road. Why didn’t the SUV? Could it be the lousy road-handling qualities of the SUV combined with the attitude of the driver? -But you’re not ranting about the _other_ driver, are you? Two vehicles off in the ditch; do you rant about “stupid drivers” in general? Nope- you’re whining about them damned SUV drivers, which comprise only half of the obviously-bad drivers in your sample. Apparently the one driver was a careful, cautious and very safe driver that simply suffered some random and regrettably unavoidable accident, while the SUV driver was apparently driving _much_ too fast, far to arrogantly, and was probably both shaving and talking on a cellphone while he did it. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mermaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@The\_Mermaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mermaid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/87 "2003-01-18T23:08:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*The fuckwit quotient? Steadily growing. \*\* I whole heartedly agree. It rises expotentially every single time you post to this ill conceived bastard of a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/88 "2003-01-18T23:26:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > **Nope. I’ve seen obnoxious SUV drivers myself. I’m simply pointing out that you have the same zealotry about SUVs as a previous banned poster and you linked to his favorite website.** I googled for something like SUV stopping distances. It came up. So you are saying that it is zealotry to wish that people who buy SUVs learn the handling characteristics of them? 😕 > [@](#): > > Nothing personal. I don’t happen to agree with you, but my opinion doesn’t really matter anyway. I’m just having a little fun at your expense. \*\* As much as I’ve flamed and been flamed, I have taken nothing personally here, and I hope others feel the same. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/89 "2003-01-19T00:17:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*That explains my sudden wave of nausea. \*\* You throw up when people look at you? Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/90 "2003-01-19T00:37:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \*\*\* > Quod erat demonstrandum. \*\* For a would-be Latin scholar, **Pucky** , you have an awful lot of trouble grasping _reductio ad absurdum_. As you’ve seen (if you bothered to look at the Great Debates SUV threads I linked to) it is possible to discuss this subject in a reasonable manner among people who show a degree of intelligence and rationality. Regarding the quality of your OP here and subsequent slobberings, there’s no reason to address you with any civility. You’re a twit. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/91 "2003-01-19T00:40:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KKBattousai \* > \*\*You throw up when people look at you? Weird. \*\* No, they throw up when they look at him! (Just beating the unimaginative asshats to it.) ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/92 "2003-01-19T01:09:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > **As you’ve seen (if you bothered to look at the Great Debates SUV threads I linked to) it is possible to discuss this subject in a reasonable manner among people who show a degree of intelligence and rationality.** How about honesty? You denied making such a statement and demanded a cite. I pointed it out. You haven’t owned up to it yet. As for civility, this is the Pit, that’s Great Debates. What’s there about the difference you don’t understand? I came here _specifically_ to vent spleen about an idiot SUV driver. I respect and enjoy any cunning and _original_ flames aimed at me. What I don’t respect is dishonesty like yours. Or the fact that your macho bravado shriveled up like your dick on a real date when confronted with a mod. Not that I disagree with what Ukelele Ike said: it was spot on. But you took the Eddy Haskell thing to a new level of weaselliness. > [@](#): > > Regarding the quality of your OP here and subsequent slobberings, there’s no reason to address you with any civility. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Jackmannii > I never have that sort of problem in my 2002 Mazda Armageddon 4X4. > > I grind Geo Metros and suchlike under my oversized tires and find that it improves traction mightily. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Jackmannii > No, I hardly notice as I grind them and their puny fist-waving drivers into metallic compost. I guess civility is a relative thing. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/93 "2003-01-19T01:11:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*No, they throw up when they look at him! > > \*\* Pucky, that’s the first intelligent thing you’ve said so far! (Where have all the decent flamers gone? Sigh.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mermaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@The\_Mermaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mermaid)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/94 "2003-01-19T01:26:52Z")
I like pickles. ---
**Author:** ![MrMyth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@MrMyth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMyth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/95 "2003-01-19T02:12:10Z")
My SUV’s exhaust smells like cat food. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/96 "2003-01-19T14:26:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*I guess civility is a relative thing. \*\* Yes. You’ve provided us with many shining examples. Also demonstrations of your cranial capacity, which can apparently be measured in microns. Some people are smart enough to realize when they’ve been whooshed. Numerous posters have countered your driveling idiocy about SUVs with mocking declarations about their hostile intent while on the road, and your response has been further squealings of outrage. How dense can you possibly be? As to those deep psychological issues you must resolve, I’m sure help is available in your community. Get a referral _now_. ---
**Author:** ![Blown\_Injected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@Blown\_Injected](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blown_Injected)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/97 "2003-01-19T16:58:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pucky Schumer \* > \*\*Some info I’ve cadged from [this site.](http://poseur.4x4.org/reasons2.html) > Compare the braking distances from 60 mph to 0 in the following illustration. In a common accident scenario, imagine you’ve encountered a stopped semi truck while going around a blind curve. The semi is 142 feet in front of you. Which is the safest vehicle to be in? > > Porsche Boxster: 120 feet…Yawn. > Oldsmobile Intrigue: 131 feet…Arrgh. > Dodge Caravan SE: 135 feet…Whew. > Pontiac Transport: 141 feet…WHEW! > Isuzu Rodeo: 148 feet…BANG!! > Ford Explorer: 150 feet…SMASH!!! > Chevrolet Blazer: 154 feet…SLAM!!! > Chevrolet Suburban: 155 feet…CRUNCH!!! > Kenworth Pilgrimage: ??? feet…&_$@#%=\>#:~@%_!!! > > Statistical Source: Edmunds Car and Truck Guide. \*\* 35’ difference in a high performance sports car and a truck. BFD! Don’t drive over your sight. Gee you mean a big heavy truck takes a little longer to stop than a little light car???-wow!!! Thank God for Edmunds - who would have ever known :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/98 "2003-01-19T18:57:57Z")
Fascinating article in the latest **Journal of Nutrition** : _Morbid Obesity In Trolls - The Therapeutic Value Of Portion Control_. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the authors do have a good argument. ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/99 "2003-01-19T19:45:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jackmannii \* > **Some people are smart enough to realize when they’ve been whooshed.** Some people (not you) have the balls to stick by their opinions when faced with authority figures. You display exactly the type of chickenshit behavior that’s expected from wannabes who have to hide behind the bulk of an SUV. > [@](#): > > Numerous posters have countered your driveling idiocy about SUVs with mocking declarations about their hostile intent while on the road, and your response has been further squealings of outrage. It’s been said that a drunk man speaks a sober man’s mind. This alleged humor reveals a good deal about the outlook of many SUV drivers. > [@](#): > > As to those deep psychological issues you must resolve, I’m sure help is available in your community. Get a referral _now_. My, my. How nicely and petitely you flame once somebody stands up to you. I don’t want you to get a referral. I just want you to get fucked. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Pucky\_Schumer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/74df32/32.png) [@Pucky\_Schumer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pucky_Schumer)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301/100 "2003-01-19T19:47:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blown & Injected \* > \*\*35’ difference in a high performance sports car and a truck. BFD! Don’t drive over your sight. > > Gee you mean a big heavy truck takes a little longer to stop than a little light car???-wow!!! > Thank God for Edmunds - who would have ever known :rolleyes: \*\* Precisely. What I’ve been ranting about here is not so much SUVs in and of themselves but people who believe they can get behind the wheel of one and drive it like a car – or faster. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-suv-driver-not-to-put-too-fine-a-point-on-it/149301.md?page=6)