# Dear TVeblen **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2004, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309 "2004-07-09T16:32:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shaolinrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Shaolinrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaolinrabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/21 "2004-07-10T05:50:39Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > It isn’t the subject-it’s because of the WAY he said it. He basically implied we’re all animal abusers because we keep our cats inside. THAT was the problem. I’m not so sure, and that’s what bugs me about the thread closing, I guess. I’m not entirely certain whether there wouldn’t have been just as much indignation over the premise regardless of how it was phrased. I could also easily see someone misreading the inflammatory nature of the question, given it isn’t much of a “hot button” issue. It’s a warm button at best, and if this has been a long standing polarizing debate I was honestly unaware of it until this moment. If I had opened the thread, I would have been more reserved perhaps, but I could see me overstepping the bounds of propriety accidently. I would have been interested to see the thread progress, and see some explainations from the cat folks as well. Maybe move it to GD instead? It’s too late now, and I don’t miss it aside from general curiosity, but it would have made a great discussion, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![rkts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@rkts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rkts)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/22 "2004-07-10T05:51:46Z")
> [@Boyo Jim](#): > > That was a Pit thread from the OP. Eve called it correctly. So anything with any candor at all belongs in the Pit? Eve only said it belonged in the Pit because she wanted to be able insult him. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > It isn’t the subject-it’s because of the WAY he said it. He basically implied we’re all animal abusers because we keep our cats inside. THAT was the problem. Well, is there any way to express his opinion without implying that? Perhaps he really believes that. Why is that a problem? That he didn’t say “you’re all animal abusers”, but left it to be inferred, should be to his credit. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/23 "2004-07-10T05:52:53Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > … Who’s tacky enough her own self to note that this is her FIRST pitting, poster-and-mod, ever. Yee haw. Whoopee. I’m a disgrace to mod-dom. Congratulations! It shows you really count for… well, something. Now you must pass along the karma. ---
**Author:** ![Shaolinrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Shaolinrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaolinrabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/24 "2004-07-10T05:53:32Z")
By the way, **Veb** I’ve always liked your mod style. Also, since I just found out you’re a woman, how you doin’? 😉 I mean, no one can ever compete in my heart for that special place reserved for **Lynn Bodoni** but you’re getting close. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/25 "2004-07-10T06:10:38Z")
> [@rkts](#): > > So anything with any candor at all belongs in the Pit?.. No, buy I would say that thread OP was a flame, and the Pit is the appropriate forum for it. > [@rkts](#): > > That he didn’t say “you’re all animal abusers”, but left it to be inferred, should be to his credit. He DID say “you are all animal abusers”, just not using those words. Everybody understands its implicit meaning, including you. It’s indirect enough to be plausibly deniable by the weaselly-inclined, but I don’t think astro would deny it. astro’s objection is to feeling characterized as being some kind of ongoing source of trouble. ---
**Author:** ![rkts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@rkts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rkts)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/26 "2004-07-10T06:27:03Z")
> [@Boyo Jim](#): > > No, buy I would say that thread OP was a flame . . . I wouldn’t. > [@](#): > > He DID say “you are all animal abusers”, just not using those words. Everybody understands its implicit meaning, including you. My statement was in response to **Guinastasia** ’s claim that his wording was the issue. Even you seem to admit that his opinions were the real issue. And as I said already, I don’t see why it’s a problem that he may think that. It is his opinion and he should be able to express it. There is nothing offensive or derogatory in it. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/27 "2004-07-10T06:28:39Z")
> [@Shaolinrabbit](#): > > I mean, no one can ever compete in my heart for that special place reserved for **Lynn Bodoni** but you’re getting close. Great. Really. Lynn “Cecil’s Own Invincible Angel O’ Worse-Than-Death” Bodoni and somebody who was once–_quite_ mistakenly–likened to Meg Ryan. Harumph. [George Gobel] Ever get the feeling the rest of the world is a tuxedo and you’re a pair of brown shoes? [/George Gobel] Sincere apologies to **astro** for hijacking his thread with this nonsense, because he was expressing some genuine concerns. The focus should be on his issues. Veb ---
**Author:** ![Shaolinrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Shaolinrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaolinrabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/28 "2004-07-10T06:42:47Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Great. Really. Lynn “Cecil’s Own Invincible Angel O’ Worse-Than-Death” Bodoni and somebody who was once–_quite_ mistakenly–likened to Meg Ryan. Harumph. Not to further derail this topic, but I just think she’s totally sexy. I can’t help it. There’s maybe something wrong with me. I was honestly thinking before, that if you were a woman, I’d totally have a crush on you. Then I found out you actually are. I know this brings you no end of joy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/29 "2004-07-10T07:42:27Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Sincere apologies to **astro** for hijacking his thread with this nonsense, because he was expressing some genuine concerns. The focus should be on his issues. > > Veb Agreed. So why did you close his other thread? Seems to me it was pretty obvious he was doing the same there as well. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/30 "2004-07-10T08:03:46Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Who’s tacky enough her own self to note that this is her FIRST pitting, poster-and-mod, ever. Yee haw. Whoopee. I’m a disgrace to mod-dom. No it isn’t, and yes you are. [Mod Nazi Rankings - TVeblen is a loser](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=165516) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/31 "2004-07-10T11:18:45Z")
Wow, 30 posts and only _one_ poster ( **TVeblen** no less) has actually responded to the posters point. Did the rest of you _read_ the OP? P.S. I have no opinion on the topic itself, it just pisses me off sometimes when I see people blindly overlooking someone’s actual point. For those who still don’t get it, **Astro** seemed concerned that **TVeblen** considered his post to be part of a pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/32 "2004-07-10T11:20:08Z")
BTW **Astro** , it would be helpful (to me at least) to include a link to the post within the thread, not just the post on its own. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/33 "2004-07-10T11:54:08Z")
> [@Shaolinrabbit](#): > > I’m not so sure, and that’s what bugs me about the thread closing, I guess. I’m not entirely certain whether there wouldn’t have been just as much indignation over the premise regardless of how it was phrased. Go back and read **CrazyCatLady’s** second post in this thread, where she explains very clearly that this subject HAS been debated, many times, with strong feelings on both sides, but without the shit-stirring hyperbole that **astro** used. > [@](#): > > I would have been interested to see the thread progress, and see some explainations from the cat folks as well. Maybe move it to GD instead? It’s too late now, and I don’t miss it aside from general curiosity, but it would have made a great discussion, IMO. See some explanations form cat people? Did you read the thread? Cat people explained, over and over again, why they choose indoor-only or indoor/outdoor. How many times must roadkill, coyotes, sicko animal torturers, bird-killing, and individual cat attitudes toward freedom be mentioned before it dawns on you that, ummmmm, yeh, maybe these people do have some shred of rationale for their positions? Crikey, I stayed out of contributing to that thread because everything I would have said had BEEN said, several times, by the time I got there. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/34 "2004-07-10T13:32:38Z")
> **[Why do people think imprisoning cats indoors is a moral thing to do?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=265417)** > > I have to admit I read some of the numerous "cat(s) shitting and peeing all over the place - What to do? "threads and I’m stunned by the fact that people will live like this, and put up with cats turning their living space into virtual bathrooms.... Color me dumb-founded because I would never have guessed that anyone would have a problem with a cat being kept exclusively indoors. What’s the next hot button issue? The evils of confining goldfish in an aquarium? ---
**Author:** ![Shaolinrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Shaolinrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaolinrabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/35 "2004-07-10T13:56:30Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > See some explanations form cat people? Did you read the thread? Cat people explained, over and over again, why they choose indoor-only or indoor/outdoor. How many times must roadkill, coyotes, sicko animal torturers, bird-killing, and individual cat attitudes toward freedom be mentioned before it dawns on you that, ummmmm, yeh, maybe these people do have some shred of rationale for their positions? Crikey, I stayed out of contributing to that thread because everything I would have said had BEEN said, several times, by the time I got there. I did read the thread. I did not see an explanation for why a cat can’t go outside. I still don’t. Some cat owners must be unimaginative 😉 I’ll give you a hint, I’ve owned both cats and dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/36 "2004-07-10T14:02:10Z")
> [@Desmostylus](#): > > No it isn’t, and yes you are. [Mod Nazi Rankings - TVeblen is a loser](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=165516) Not that I really care, but note that this list does _not_ include The BBQ Pit threads I rightfully earned under my previous name, **slythe**. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/37 "2004-07-10T14:14:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not that I really care, but note that this list does _not_ include The BBQ Pit threads I rightfully earned under my previous name, **slythe**. Yes it does, smartass. > [@Desmostylus](#): > > > [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > > > And don’t forget > > > > (now known as **Czarcasm** ) > > **Slythe** : What’s this guy’s problem? Rousseau > > > > Dammit, you learn your history, Desmostylus! > > Okay. > > Modified list: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/38 "2004-07-10T14:33:58Z")
Oops. Didn’t see page #2. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Shaolinrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Shaolinrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaolinrabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/39 "2004-07-10T14:45:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Oops. Didn’t see page #2. :smack: On my computer it’s on page 1. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-tveblen/254309/40 "2004-07-10T15:07:54Z")
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