# Dear Wiccans: get over yourselves **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 16, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968 "2009-06-16T17:55:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/61 "2009-06-16T23:28:47Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > You are just declaring one definition ok and another not, even though the one you are claiming has no validity has been used that way for more than a century. > > Kind of like marriage no? Nopers - I’m claiming that we-who-notice-that-magic-has-meant-more-than-stage-magic-for-a-hell-of-a-lot-longer-than-a-century are well within our rights for thinking that persons who use the redundant affectation ‘magick’ are, as a _general_ rule, a load of twits - _regardless_ of how long twits have existed. I did not, however, say that the word “magick” \*did not mean \* “magic-not-in-the-sense-of-stage-magic”. Nor did I say that we should pass constitutional amendments to stop them from using the word. Thanks for remembering me, though! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/62 "2009-06-16T23:59:57Z")
Look, if we persist on busting on people for magic with a ‘k’ you know what’s next? Magic with an ‘x.’ Is that what you want? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/63 "2009-06-17T00:13:10Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Magick with a K isn’t a Wiccan thing. Aleister Crowley invented that device intentionally distinguish it from stage magic. It’s not pretentious at all, it’s an useful way to distinguish what you’re talking about. Of course if you don’t believe in Magick then it’s pretentious by default because well…there’s no such thing, so you must be pretending. > > Regardless spelling Magick with a K is a very common usage amongst all occult circles, it’s not even considered controversial, and has nothing to do with Wicca specifically. FYI, the OED places magick with a “k” much earlier than Crowley. Crowley did popularize it. In most cases I can find it has an “e” on the end, so I guess if you want to be technical…he probably still didn’t invent it. > [@](#): > > c1387-95 Magik natureel [see sense 1a]. c1425 (a1420) LYDGATE Troyyes Bk. (Augustus A. 4) II. 6762 Musing wher it [sc. a tree] wer artificial, Erect, or set by magik natural Or by engyne of werkmen corious. c1450 (c1380) CHAUCER House of Fame 1266 Clerkes eke, which konne wel Al this magik naturel..thrugh which magik To make a man ben hool or syk. a1550 (c1477) T. NORTON Ordinal of Alchemy (Bodl. e Mus.) 1692 But the cheife maisters amonge sciences all for helpe of this art is magike naturall. 1582 S. BATEMAN Vppon Bartholome, De Proprietatibus Rerum f. 165v, These thinges are the foundation of all naturall magike. 1593 G. HARVEY Pierces Supererog. 29 Who such monarches for Phisique.., Palmastry, naturall and supernaturall Magique..as some of these arrant Impostours? 1605 BACON Of Aduancem. Learning I. sig. F3v, Naturall Magicke pretendeth to cal & reduce natural Philosophie from variety of speculations to the magnitude of works. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/64 "2009-06-17T00:16:22Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Nopers - I’m claiming that we-who-notice-that-magic-has-meant-more-than-stage-magic-for-a-hell-of-a-lot-longer-than-a-century are well within our rights for thinking that persons who use the redundant affectation ‘magick’ are, as a _general_ rule, a load of twits - _regardless_ of how long twits have existed. I did not, however, say that the word “magick” \*did not mean \* “magic-not-in-the-sense-of-stage-magic”. Nor did I say that we should pass constitutional amendments to stop them from using the word. > > Thanks for remembering me, though! 😃 _shrugs_ Millions of people use it that way it’s an accepted usage. You can get all red in the face about the Woo if you want, as is your right and likely your pleasure, but that won’t change the fact that it’s a stable and accepted usage and has been for as long as many of the conventions we use in English that were not really in place until the Victorian era. ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/65 "2009-06-17T00:32:55Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Finally, stop being so hot. It’s not fair that I have to listen to your insipid fails-to-even-be-Leftist drivel while wanting to date you. 😃 Wait… a hot Wiccan? Is that not an oxymoron? I would tend to start listening to what she has to say lest you be whisked away to the cornfield. Based on her power of illusion it is obvious that her MagiQ is strong. \ 😃 Unless of course you mean “hot” as in “on fire” because I have heard of that. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/66 "2009-06-17T00:36:41Z")
I’m going to start using the term, “Majique” until it pisses people off so much that they start arguing that Magick is an acceptable spelling but not Majique. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/67 "2009-06-17T00:42:02Z")
Who cares how you spell it? The real mockery should be reserved for those who actually _believe_ in it in the paranormal/supernatural sense. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/68 "2009-06-17T00:44:27Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Who cares how you spell it? The real mockery should be reserved for those who actually _believe_ in it in the paranormal/supernatural sense. I believe in it, mock me all you want. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/69 "2009-06-17T00:46:04Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I’m going to start using the term, “Majique” until it pisses people off so much that they start arguing that Magick is an acceptable spelling but not Majique. 😉 Meh. Majique has a certain sophistication to it. Not the type of word you’d hear from the tween “wiccans” that I think the OP is talking about. EDIT: Actually, I think the OP is referring to someone slightly older than a tween, but still, my point stands. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/70 "2009-06-17T00:46:57Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I believe in it, mock me all you want. 😉 Nah, I was more trying to make a joke than annoyed/angry. I feel no need to mock you until you jump all over my shit, then - BAM! I’ll unleash all my Wiccan insults at once! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/71 "2009-06-17T00:49:41Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Meh. > > Majique has a certain sophistication to it. Not the type of word you’d hear from the tween “wiccans” that I think the OP is talking about. > > EDIT: Actually, I think the OP is referring to someone slightly older than a tween, but still, my point stands. 😛 Hey, whatever gets the hot redhead into bed right? I once convinced a girl that if she didn’t sleep with me I would fade from existance. She saw me fading even. She even loved when I told that story at parties. 😉 If that’s not Magick, I don’t know what is. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/72 "2009-06-17T01:01:27Z")
Sounds more like majique to me. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/73 "2009-06-17T01:36:51Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Sounds more like majique to me. 😛 Maybe **Smiling Bandit** should get down with the Majique and he could get this hot chick to show him her Mother Goddess. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/74 "2009-06-17T02:53:01Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Maybe **Smiling Bandit** should get down with the Majique and he could get this hot chick to show him her Mother Goddess. 😉 Dude, I’ve been _trying_ to lead us along that path since page one! ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/75 "2009-06-17T03:05:27Z")
> [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, _smiling bandit_, but I believe you’ve mentioned on these boards that you feel that Christians are given an unfair amount of flack. If that’s the case, it seems pretty disingenuous of you to start in on someone else’s faith. Since it got serious, there’s a subtle but important difference. There are many religions I don’t think are true but accept are _valid_. That is, they are both internally consistent, theoretically could be accurate within a historical frame, and reveal sincere truths about the universe. Buddism, Islam, Judaism after Christ. Wicca just isn’t so. it was deliberately started not even as a religion, but basically as a silly neopagan rite for kicks. It has the same validity as the Thule society’s nonsense. It’s the difference between something which is rational but wrong and that which fails to even acheive potential validity. I also have trouble with Mormonism and Scientology, or for that matter young-Earth Creationism but that’s for another thread. Ah well, I tried to date the redheaded one (she was the one I think was playing with it because of her daddy issues). She wouldn’t go out on a date with anyone at all until another suiter tricked her into it. Oh well. Can’t win 'em all. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/76 "2009-06-17T03:06:22Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Dude, I’ve been _trying_ to lead us along that path since page one! I know, I know, but we are not all so wise as you. ---
**Author:** ![Pyper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pyper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pyper)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/77 "2009-06-17T04:48:57Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I’m going to start using the term, “Majique” until it pisses people off so much that they start arguing that Magick is an acceptable spelling but not Majique. 😉 “Majique”? Isn’t that a Cirque de Soleil show? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/78 "2009-06-17T05:02:06Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Majique has a certain sophistication to it. What?! “Majique” has all the sophistication of the Champagne Room at T’s Gold Lounge. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/79 "2009-06-17T05:06:34Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > What?! “Majique” has all the sophistication of the Champagne Room at T’s Gold Lounge. Ya gotta look at it in context. Compared to Magick and all that other shit, majique is downright noble. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/80 "2009-06-17T05:26:25Z")
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