# Dear Wiccans: get over yourselves **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 16, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968 "2009-06-16T17:55:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/101 "2009-06-17T15:48:19Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Ah well, I tried to date the redheaded one (she was the one I think was playing with it because of her daddy issues). She wouldn’t go out on a date with anyone at all until another suiter tricked her into it. Oh well. Can’t win 'em all. Sounds like she’s just not that into you. Sorry. > [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > It seems to me that Wicca is an easy “religion” to believe in because there are no clearly defined rules and you get to do pretty much whatever you want. [Dracula from Symphony of the Night] Perhaps the same could be said of all religions… [/Dracula] ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/102 "2009-06-17T15:52:14Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Hey, I’ve already said that I’ll stop scoffing as soon as they can prove it _actually does something_. Otherwise, I stick by my right to consider them ridiculous and pretentious. > > Nope, sorry. Any movie where Nicholas Cage punches women in the face and screams, “MY LEEEEGS!!!” is, by definition, “the good one.” I bet \*_Covered In Bees_ would agree, but Christopher Lee’s version was way better, and better for getting a pagan chick into bed. Instead of having the central conflict as patriarchy vs. matriarchy, it was Presbyterianism vs. Paganism: the, uh… the, um… The Crus-ide in the He-brides! I’ll keep working on it . ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/103 "2009-06-17T15:56:14Z")
OK, I gotta speak up here. I have several in-the-flesh Wiccan/neo-Pagan friends. Most of the women are hot. All of them are eccentric to varying degrees, but few are social outcasts or emotionally unhinged. Also, if I believed that the Creator did not reveal Himself to us through the prophets of Israel & the apostles of Jesus & their Biblical writings, and instead left it up to us to cobble together a workable religion, then I do think Wicca or some similar faith would be a pretty good option- Deity revealed through Nature- masculine & feminine, celebrating the seasonal cycles of death & rebirth, focusing either emotional or Natural-Divine energy through ritual, treating each other decently with an underlying motivation of Karma, not to mention an open-ended Afterlife & a freer view of sex. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/104 "2009-06-17T15:56:51Z")
**saoirse** , the 2006 version of \*The Wicker Man \*was indeed terrible… But it was _so terrible it was awesome._ I saw it when my friends and I did a local version of B-Fest 'cause we couldn’t haul down to Northwestern this year. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/105 "2009-06-17T15:59:52Z")
> [@saoirse](#): > > I bet \*_Covered In Bees_ would agree, but Christopher Lee’s version was way better, and better for getting a pagan chick into bed. Instead of having the central conflict as patriarchy vs. matriarchy, it was Presbyterianism vs. Paganism: the, uh… the, um… The Crus-ide in the He-brides! > I’ll keep working on it . Technically, Sgt. Howie was an Anglican, but a very conservative one (in the book, he applied for the priesthood in his youth but was rejected because of his strictness. Interestingly, he was also a Socialist in politics and a philo-Semite.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/106 "2009-06-17T16:37:53Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Not a good analogy. Americans dropped the “u” in an effort to distinguish ourselves from our Former Overseas Oppressors. _cue teary-eyed salute to a flag proudly flapping in a patriotically stiff breeze_ Color and colour are two regional ways of spelling the same thing, not an attempt to create a new concept by changing the spelling of a word. Rubbish. You did it because Nathaniel Webster told you to. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/107 "2009-06-17T16:55:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Rubbish. You did it because Nathaniel Webster told you to. And Webster told us to because now that we were our own special shiny happy country, we could have sensical spellings instead of all those stupid extra letters the British left in. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/108 "2009-06-17T17:29:33Z")
This is like when I see hot LDS boys in their white shirts and name tags. Why’s the Lord gotta make the sweetest peaches so damn intent on staying pure? And sure they’ll talk to you, but it always turns back to (sigh) God. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/109 "2009-06-17T17:35:48Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because they also turn around when you don’t; you just don’t seen them do it because you aren’t looking. So why if I just glance at them and keep my eye on them covertly on the subway they don’t look up from their book, but if I stare at them they look up? And why is this phenomenon sufficiently reproduceable? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/110 "2009-06-17T17:36:52Z")
> [@Bacon\_Salt](#): > > Tosch, shows what you know. They changed it to Thursday like three months ago. Yeah, some people just don’t know what the fuck their talking about. He’s out of touch. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/111 "2009-06-17T17:37:58Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > And very often, they don’t turn around when you stare at the back of their heads. Well then how come I can never stare at pretty girls on the subway? They always turn around to look. You’d think that there would be some large proportion that I could stare at unnoticed, but no. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/112 "2009-06-17T17:40:26Z")
> [@Cat\_Fight](#): > > This is like when I see hot LDS boys in their white shirts and name tags. Why’s the Lord gotta make the sweetest peaches so damn intent on staying pure? And sure they’ll talk to you, but it always turns back to (sigh) God. Are you kidding? Those guys are like the most generic “male” you can have. **Story Time** : A few years ago I was wearing **[this shirt](http://991.com/gallery_180x180/Insane-Clown-Posse-The-Amazing-Jecke-367114-991.jpg)** when I accidentally opened the door for some LDS guys. I’ve never seen them so nervous! It was hilarious. I just stood outside with them for a bit, grinning and watching their eyes. Every few seconds they’d look at my shirt as if I were Satan himself and they were just waiting for me to reveal my true form to them. We ended the conversation by saying I didn’t have a lot of time to keep chatting with them (True, not a lie), so we made plans for them to come by later. When they came back later, I stuck my brother in **[this shirt](https://secure.hatchetgear.com/img_400/icp3520_blk.jpg)** to go and talk to them, while I waited inside. He said that it was so awesome watching their eyes constantly glance at his shirt. _contented sigh_ Good times. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/113 "2009-06-17T17:42:52Z")
Hey, I’d be worried if I was a Mormon missionary at the home of a couple of Juggaloes too. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/114 "2009-06-17T17:44:48Z")
It is time to link to the [BEST SOMETHING POSITIVE COMIC EVAR!](http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp04242002.shtml) That is all. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/115 "2009-06-17T17:45:04Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Magick with a K isn’t a Wiccan thing. Aleister Crowley invented that device intentionally distinguish it from stage magic. It’s not pretentious at all, it’s an useful way to distinguish what you’re talking about. Of course if you don’t believe in Magick then it’s pretentious by default because well…there’s no such thing, so you must be pretending. > > Regardless spelling Magick with a K is a very common usage amongst all occult circles, it’s not even considered controversial, and has nothing to do with Wicca specifically. Exactly, we need a way to talk about REAL magic/k. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/116 "2009-06-17T17:50:22Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > Exactly, we need a way to talk about REAL magic/k. :rolleyes: Did you even read any of the thread before you responded because it doesn’t seem like you did. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/117 "2009-06-17T17:53:52Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Did you even read any of the thread before you responded because it doesn’t seem like you did. Seriously! We’re not even talking about that anymore. We’re talking about freaking out the Mormon boys. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/118 "2009-06-17T18:01:37Z")
> [@Bacon\_Salt](#): > > Tosch, shows what you know. They changed it to Thursday like three months ago. I’m an orthodox scoffer, not one of you damned Reformed Scoffers. splittists! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/119 "2009-06-17T18:03:11Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > And Webster told us to because now that we were our own special shiny happy country, we could have sensical spellings instead of all those stupid extra letters the British left in. Letters the English (well, their continental forbears) added to the original Latin, FWIW. So think of your spelling as re-normalising the lingo. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968/120 "2009-06-17T18:07:20Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Well then how come I can never stare at pretty girls on the subway? They always turn around to look. You’d think that there would be some large proportion that I could stare at unnoticed, but no. Well, there are quite a few explanations that come to the obective mind: 1: You’re lying about it, which I doubt, and I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt hat you actually think this is happening. 2: You’re using selective data; i.e. you’re recognizing all the times that it happens and discounting the times it doesn’t. 3: You’re misinterpreting data; i.e. finding a cause and effect that doesn’t exist. Just because A happens before B doesn’t mean that A causes B. At any rate, it’s a very dangerous proposition using your own subjective data to prove your X-Men like powers. A much more objective viewpoint is needed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-wiccans-get-over-yourselves/499968.md?page=7)