# Dear Woman video - pretty amazing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 8, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620 "2011-04-08T02:34:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/381 "2011-04-11T19:56:51Z")
> [@These are my own pants](#): > > Are you saying men who have lost their testicles through illness or like these unfortunate chaps have simply misplaced them are less than men? Uh, no. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/382 "2011-04-11T19:57:37Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > The only reason women didn’t like this video is because they’re influenced by men. Disliking this video is a horrifying practice driven by males. Women are just victims, they can’t perpetuate negative acts like disagreeing with things all by themselves! Meyer6, I need to thank you for setting me straight. Without the color and underlining, I might not have been able to see this as the wisdom it actually is. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that you’re factating–as only women can! > [@These are my own pants](#): > > Are you saying men who have lost their testicles through illness or like these unfortunate chaps have simply misplaced them are less than men? I don’t think it’s possible to read his post any less coherently than you did. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/383 "2011-04-11T20:05:09Z")
> [@These are my own pants](#): > > Are you saying men who have lost their testicles through illness or like these unfortunate chaps have simply misplaced them are less than men? He said: > [@](#): > > Being a man means you have male genitalia and/or identify as a man, full stop. Notice the **and/or**. That leaves space for men who have lost their genitals through trauma, or even men who were born without them. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/384 "2011-04-11T20:06:49Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Meyer6, I need to thank you for setting me straight. Without the color and underlining, I might not have been able to see this as the wisdom it actually is. > > I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that you’re factating–as only women can! No problem. Us enlightened people have to help the little people as much as we can. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/385 "2011-04-11T20:17:47Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > No problem. Us enlightened people have to help the little people as much as we can. Careful there, bro. That sounds dangerously close to a goal, and you know how being goal-oriented burns us out. Goals are bad, y’hear ? ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/386 "2011-04-11T20:25:44Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > He said: > Notice the **and/or**. That leaves space for men who have lost their genitals through trauma, or even men who were born without them. My God, so it does! Has it occurred to you that I’m treating this video and/or thread with the seriousness it deserves i.e. not a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/387 "2011-04-11T20:42:09Z")
> [@xoferew](#): > > I wouldn’t feel good about women being soldiers, police officers, doctors, stock brokers, lawyers, members of congress, etc. etc. if they were all more defined by intuition and peaceful nurturing than by logic and rational goals. It wouldn’t be good for them or for society. I think this post most succinctly addresses what is wrong with this video. If **Stoid** doesn’t see merit in this argument then theres really nothing more to discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/388 "2011-04-11T20:44:04Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > He said: > Notice the **and/or**. That leaves space for men who have lost their genitals through trauma, or even men who were born without them. Yeah, I think the “and/or” could get contentious given that we have had folks in full possession of male genitals categorically deny their manhood hereabouts. But then this is the Dope, where an assertion that water is wet is generally met with “_Cite!?_”. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/389 "2011-04-11T20:47:23Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Careful there, bro. That sounds dangerously close to a goal, and you know how being goal-oriented burns us out. Goals are bad, y’hear ? Bro? :mad: Do you not recognize my womynly godliness? You’re just one of those closed-minded non-conscious oppressors, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/390 "2011-04-11T20:50:23Z")
Oh shi- ! Better get my worship on, then… waitaminute ! You can’t be \*real \*wymynfolk, you were being goal-oriented !! Don’t you know you can’t do that ? That’s unconscious masculine turf. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/391 "2011-04-11T20:56:41Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Yeah, I think the “and/or” could get contentious given that we have had folks in full possession of male genitals categorically deny their manhood hereabouts. But then this is the Dope, where an assertion that water is wet is generally met with “_Cite!?_”. I don’t even know what this means. If you are talking about transgendered individuals, then I think LHoD’s statement covers them as well, as it should. If you aren’t… I really don’t know what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/392 "2011-04-11T21:18:15Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > “Women are so in touch with their emotions and are kind and nurturing and that’s why they make such terrible soldiers!” To paraphrase Jim Belushi, from Saturday Night Live: "I say, we let women into the army! We create a whole division made up of nothing but women, and send them into battle first! Then, when they lose, we can tell the enemy, ‘Big deal – you beat a bunch of girls.’ But if they WIN …" ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/393 "2011-04-11T21:22:58Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > Why do they have to be comparable, if you are willing to admit the wrongs? This seems a pretty straightforward case of but but you did it too that seems to float around the SDMB in regards to Republican/Democrat wrong doing… > > But your sides was so much worse than my sides…:rolleyes: “Comparable” not meaning who did “more” wrong, it’s a question of individual vs. collective. Private vs. institutionalized. Personal vs. Powerful. In other words, individuals wrong each other in every imaginable way, no matter what their sex. But in addition to the simple wrongs perpetrated by individual men against individual women, there have always been and continue to be wrongs perpetrated against women which are collectively created or agreed upon by power structures controlled and defined by males. That is a very different thing. If there is any kind of power structure controlled by women that is consistently perpetrating, supporting, or otherwise assisting wrongs perpetrated against males, then it’s comparable and an apology offered by women on behalf of the power structure controlled by the group they are a part of would be appropriate. In other words, Jane the Black Widow who kills three husbands is acting entirely as an individual without any support, assistance, or agreement from a larger group to which she belongs that has power over the situation. Jane the Adulturous Wife who cheats on her husband and is stoned to death in the public square by her community is being wronged by the culture and society she is a part of, which is run by men who collectively agree that it’s okay to stone women to death for cheating on their husbands. So while some people agree that there is legitimacy in men apologizing for the actions and agreements of the group to which they belong, I don’t think anyone believes that it’s meaningful or appropriate for anyone other than Jane The Black Widow herseslf to apologize (and serve time for!) her actions. So in asking for “comps” heheh, I was asking for examples of a female collective power structure perpetrating harm on males. I can’t think of any. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist, I just don’t know what they are if they do. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/394 "2011-04-11T21:24:56Z")
Oh, joy, someone made a thread for this video. I think it’s disgustingly patronizing, and it’s \*hilarious \*the extent to which the men who made it are completely oblivious to how offensive it is to any woman with a brain. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/395 "2011-04-11T21:45:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, joy, someone made a thread for this video. > > I think it’s disgustingly patronizing, and it’s \*hilarious \*the extent to which the men who made it are completely oblivious to how offensive it is to any woman with a brain. Do you really think they care? They have enough people fawning all over them while being patronizing, condescending, and sexist. Why change what’s working? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/396 "2011-04-11T21:52:50Z")
On one hand, I tend to doubt that men like that have many women fawning over them. But on the other, your user name clearly identifies you as some type of goddess or another, and that means I’m supposed to defer to you on relationship matters. Except, as a womyn, you’re not very good at logic or goal-directed action, and as such I doubt you can figure out why people would or would not change their behavior. Truly, it is a riddle wrapped inside an enigma and baked into a cake. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/397 "2011-04-11T22:30:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > On one hand, I tend to doubt that men like that have many women fawning over them. But on the other, your user name clearly identifies you as some type of goddess or another, and that means I’m supposed to defer to you on relationship matters. Except, as a womyn, you’re not very good at logic or goal-directed action, and as such I doubt you can figure out why people would or would not change their behavior. > > Truly, it is a riddle wrapped inside an enigma and baked into a cake. Mmm, cake. (And the OP is ostensibly a woman and she’s “amazed” by them, so yeah.) Mmm, cake! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/398 "2011-04-11T23:02:03Z")
Margaret Thatcher would have no use for any of these men, except to send them to the Falklands as cannon fodder. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/399 "2011-04-11T23:20:26Z")
Literally, from what little I was able to watch before shutting it off, that was one of the most stupid things I’ve seen on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620/400 "2011-04-11T23:28:05Z")
I’m gonna send OP’s link to the [Satellite of Love](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_of_Love_%28MST3K%29). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-woman-video-pretty-amazing/577620.md?page=21)