# Dear Zedd, you are a mouth-breathing moron **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608 "2011-12-18T02:55:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/1 "2011-12-18T02:55:28Z")
[Link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=633109). We were arguing whether or not it’s completely stupid and idiotic to believe, like Mormons do, that the Americas were colonized not by Asians from a land bridge in Alaska, but rather by a small group of people from Jerusalem in 600 BC. (Hint: it is.) > [@Mormons and their \[reputed\] Lies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-their-reputed-lies/604525/139): > > You really want to hash out Jeff Lindsay’s amateur apologetics? All the names on your list (except Balabanova) have written about possible _trans-Pacific_ pre-Columbian contact with Asia. Not Jews coming in 600 BC with their annoying younger brother. Somewhere deep in **Zedd** ’s pin-brain, he decides that using the word “Jews” is anti-Semitic. > [@Mormons and their \[reputed\] Lies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-their-reputed-lies/604525/141): > > Finally, those who came in ‘600 bc’ were not ‘Jews’, the most part of them were of Joseph, not Judah. Do I detect a little antisemitism? He has a microscopic point, in that these FAKE colonists from his FAKE book were Israelites, being from one of the other tribes of Israel. I don’t know anyone who gives a fuck. None of these people ever existed on any continent. > [@Mormons and their \[reputed\] Lies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-their-reputed-lies/604525/141): > > Bottom line, you said you are not an anti-semite. I. being a simple and believing kind of guy, will believe. I would appreciate it if you could explain to me and my sub-standard intelligence what the purpose of adding ‘jew’ to the statement makes. Why did I use “Jews”? Because it’s shorthand for Israelite. Because what Mormons believe and preach about the history of America is on its face absurd and stupid and probably offensive to real Jewish people. > [@Mormons and their \[reputed\] Lies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-their-reputed-lies/604525/141): > > Where’s a good neurotic jew, preferably one with an annoying younger brother, when you need one. > [@Mormons and their \[reputed\] Lies](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mormons-and-their-reputed-lies/604525/141): > > Add to that a neurotic jew with an annoying younger brother who hates the idea of being associated with mormons. What the fuck is your problem you fucking idiot? I understand that you think you’ve “got me” because I used the word “Jews.” What you don’t understand is fucking English, apparently. You are an idiot. I truly don’t know if you are completely witless or just a dishonest troll trying to provoke me. If the former, I’m truly sorry for you and your offspring. If the latter, mission accomplished. Now, go off and shut your mouth if you really can’t understand the words you read on a messageboard. Moron. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/2 "2011-12-18T03:35:10Z")
Whose chopper is this? ---
**Author:** ![Zedd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Zedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zedd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/3 "2011-12-18T03:58:58Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > . Being as I am a sailor, your insults are…amateurish. I read them to my son, an Army vet, just got back from Afghanistan. He laughed to. Really? Jew is a ‘shorthand’ for Israelite? [Snort] Wonder what Dan would have to say about that? That is wrong in so many ways it is difficult to know where to begin [snort, sorry]. You are aware that Israel was about to go the way of the _Notornis mantelli_? As an ‘expert’ you are aware that Benjamin and Judah (along with a few Levites serving as priests) were of the Kingdom of Judah? I’m still not getting the use of _jew_ as a hammer. But, ok, I being a, what was that again…oh, yeah, a pin-brained fucking idiot[ic] (mustn’t forget the -ic) witless moron[ic] troll (hope you don’t mind I rearranged your eal-felo into a more poetic polemic), will accept your word. You didn’t mean to use the word _jew_ as a slur. You meant Israelite. Got it. Thanks. [snort] ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/4 "2011-12-18T04:01:40Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > You didn’t mean to use the word _jew_ as a slur. The noun “Jew” is a slur? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/5 "2011-12-18T04:08:05Z")
You mean _ **Moroni.** _ ---
**Author:** ![Zedd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Zedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zedd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/6 "2011-12-18T04:09:44Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Whose chopper is this? Zedd is not dead, thank ya, thank ya vera much. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/7 "2011-12-18T04:10:00Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The noun “Jew” is a slur? In **Zedd** ’s world, apparently yes. I’d still like to know how I am “slurring” Jewish people by making fun of the implausibility of Mormonism. I doubt **Zedd** will be able to explain it, as he has trouble explaining anything in his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Zedd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Zedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zedd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/8 "2011-12-18T04:11:20Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The noun “Jew” is a slur? See! Your confused to! ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/9 "2011-12-18T04:11:26Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > Being as I am a sailor, your insults are…amateurish. > I read them to my son, an Army vet, just got back from Afghanistan. He laughed to. > > Really? Jew is a ‘shorthand’ for Israelite? [Snort] Wonder what Dan would have to say about that? That is wrong in so many ways it is difficult to know where to begin [snort, sorry]. You are aware that Israel was about to go the way of the _Notornis mantelli_? As an ‘expert’ you are aware that Benjamin and Judah (along with a few Levites serving as priests) were of the Kingdom of Judah? I’m still not getting the use of _jew_ as a hammer. > > But, ok, I being a, what was that again…oh, yeah, a pin-brained fucking idiot[ic] (mustn’t forget the -ic) witless moron[ic] troll (hope you don’t mind I rearranged your eal-felo into a more poetic polemic), will accept your word. You didn’t mean to use the word _jew_ as a slur. You meant Israelite. Got it. Thanks. [snort] Nobody fucking cares. Now go jump in the Pacific. ---
**Author:** ![Zedd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Zedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zedd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/10 "2011-12-18T04:15:48Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > In **Zedd** ’s world, apparently yes. > > I’d still like to know how I am “slurring” Jewish people by making fun of the implausibility of Mormonism. > > I doubt **Zedd** will be able to explain it, as he has trouble explaining anything in his posts. Can you say context? ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/11 "2011-12-18T04:17:23Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > He laughed to. Too. Gotta love **Gaudere**. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/12 "2011-12-18T04:17:37Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > Can you say context? I quoted my entire post above. Can you point to the context that makes it offensive? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/13 "2011-12-18T04:23:52Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > See! Your confused to! It’s your post that confuses me. In what way was **Erdosain** ’s use of the word a slur? ---
**Author:** ![Zedd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Zedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zedd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/14 "2011-12-18T04:28:15Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Too. Gotta love **Gaudere**. 😃 Madam, you are correct! Stabbed by my own poniard! ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/15 "2011-12-18T04:28:18Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I quoted my entire post above. Can you point to the context that makes it offensive? Erdo, mate, it’s a common rhetorical tactic. It’s called “Accuse, confuse, refuse.” When you find yourself losing arn argument, make it about something else. In this case, he chose to make it about the distinction between Jews and Israelites and tried to portray your use of them interchangeably as a sign of anti-semitism. He knew that if he did that, you’d pay less attention to his superstition and would focus on his egregious claim of anti-semitism. You should have ignored it or perhaps reported him for accusing you of anti-semitism when it was clearly not warranted. ---
**Author:** ![Zedd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@Zedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zedd)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/16 "2011-12-18T04:41:57Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > It’s your post that confuses me. > > In what way was **Erdosain** ’s use of the word a slur? Frank, in erdosain’s efforts to be clever, he thought to belittle a book I hold as Scripture by calling to mocking the the main characters of the first book. His mockery included an ethnic group not related to those portrayed in the book. Truth be told, it was a minor thing, and as erdosain has hinted at, I understand his mockery was not at the Jewish faith, but rather at the Mormon faith. My point has been illustrated that in erdosain’s mind it is heinous to be an anti-semite, but not to be an anti-mormon. Erdosain is not Jewish. Neither is he Mormon. I am suggesting that bigotry is bigotry regardless whether it is aimed at the Jewish people, blacks, or even Mormons. There is a difference between having a rational question about a faith, or even ‘faith’ itself, vs a personal attack against the people who hold the faith. Mormon theology is controversial. There are very valid reasons to question the validity of it in a philosophical discussion. On the other hand there is no room in a civilized society for bigotry. Unfortunately, in many circles it is ok to be an anti-mormon bigot. I find this a disturbing dichotomy. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/17 "2011-12-18T04:44:59Z")
I refer to myself as a Jew all the time. I had no idea I was being so anti-Semitic! ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/18 "2011-12-18T04:46:37Z")
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**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/19 "2011-12-18T04:49:18Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > Frank, in erdosain’s efforts to be clever, he thought to belittle a book I hold as Scripture by calling to mocking the the main characters of the first book. His mockery included an ethnic group not related to those portrayed in the book. Truth be told, it was a minor thing, and as erdosain has hinted at, I understand his mockery was not at the Jewish faith, but rather at the Mormon faith. My point has been illustrated that in erdosain’s mind it is heinous to be an anti-semite, but not to be an anti-mormon. Erdosain is not Jewish. Neither is he Mormon. I am suggesting that bigotry is bigotry regardless whether it is aimed at the Jewish people, blacks, or even Mormons. > > There is a difference between having a rational question about faith, and a personal attack against the people who hold the faith. Mormon theology is controversial. There are very valid reasons to question the validity of it in a philosophical discussion. On the other hand there is no room in a civilized society for bigotry. Unfortunately, in many circles it is ok to be an anti-mormon bigot. I find this a disturbing dichotomy. Thank you for the response. Your response in no way demonstrates that **erdosain** was using the word “Jew” in an anti-semitic manner. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/20 "2011-12-18T05:00:15Z")
I would also like to point out that I was a Mormon for 30 years and was raised in the religion. My parents continue to be very devout Mormons. I would describe myself as a thoughtful critic of Mormonism, but I don’t particularly care if someone calls me an anti-Mormon bigot (as **Zedd** has). Being critical of a voluntary religious organization that recruits aggressively is apparently the same as being a racist in **Zedd** ’s world. Duly noted. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608.md?page=2)