# Dear Zedd, you are a mouth-breathing moron **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608 "2011-12-18T02:55:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/41 "2011-12-18T15:13:08Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > Being as I am a sailor, your insults are…amateurish. > I read them to my son, an Army vet, just got back from Afghanistan. He laughed to. Your son is a fucking idiot. > [@](#): > > Really? Jew is a ‘shorthand’ for Israelite? [Snort] Wonder what Dan would have to say about that? That is wrong in so many ways it is difficult to know where to begin [snort, sorry]. You are aware that Israel was about to go the way of the _Notornis mantelli_? As an ‘expert’ you are aware that Benjamin and Judah (along with a few Levites serving as priests) were of the Kingdom of Judah? I’m still not getting the use of _jew_ as a hammer. > > But, ok, I being a, what was that again…oh, yeah, a pin-brained fucking idiot[ic] (mustn’t forget the -ic) witless moron[ic] troll (hope you don’t mind I rearranged your eal-felo into a more poetic polemic), will accept your word. You didn’t mean to use the word _jew_ as a slur. You meant Israelite. Got it. Thanks. [snort] I’m unimpressed with your sailor’s mouth. Please try harder. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/42 "2011-12-18T15:28:53Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The noun “Jew” is a slur? It can be: > [@Oxford English Dictionary](#): > > **Jew** > 2a. a. transf. and _offensive_. As a name of opprobrium: spec. applied to a grasping or extortionate person (whether Jewish or not) who drives hard bargains. In medieval England, Jews, though engaged in many pursuits, were particularly familiar as money-lenders, their activities being publicly regulated for them by the Crown, whose protégés they were. In private, Christians also practised money-lending, though forbidden to do so by Canon Law. Thus the name of Jew came to be associated in the popular mind with usury and any extortionate practices that might be supposed to accompany it, and gained an opprobrious sense; Of course, there’s absolutely no reason to think that **Erdosain** was using the word in this sense, speaking as he was about a purported migration of the ancient Israelites and not about extortionate merchants. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/43 "2011-12-18T15:30:33Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Personally, I don’t like being referred to as Jewish. I’m not Jew-\*ish \*- I’m a Jew. Full stop. So how can we refer to you adjectivally? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/44 "2011-12-18T15:55:06Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > So how can we refer to you adjectivally? Jew boy? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/45 "2011-12-18T15:57:40Z")
Jewly. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/46 "2011-12-18T16:01:28Z")
Person of Jew. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/47 "2011-12-18T16:26:08Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I would also like to point out that I was a Mormon for 30 years and was raised in the religion. My parents continue to be very devout Mormons. I would describe myself as a thoughtful critic of Mormonism, but I don’t particularly care if someone calls me an anti-Mormon bigot (as **Zedd** has). > > Being critical of a voluntary religious organization that recruits aggressively is apparently the same as being a racist in **Zedd** ’s world. Duly noted. Just out of curiosity, how well does the LDS Church get along with the Jews, officially and unofficially? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/48 "2011-12-18T16:28:56Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I can’t believe I missed this last night. > > I’m sure **Zedd** will never answer this question, but I’m dying to ask why the descendants of the Tribe of Dan would find being categorized as Jewish to be especially hilarious. Some older Mormons have some kooky ideas about where the “Lost Tribes of Israel” ended up. I’m guessing **Zedd** missed the newsletter where it was explained that we don’t believe that anymore. > > 20 bucks says he thinks they ended up in Denmark. Nonsense. Everybody knows they ended up in [Britain.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Israelism) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/49 "2011-12-18T16:29:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Just out of curiosity, how well does the LDS Church get along with the Jews, officially and unofficially? Well, the whole posthumous baptizing of Holocaust victims didn’t go over so well. Who would’ve thought anything could go wrong with that, though? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/50 "2011-12-18T16:33:44Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Jewly. No no, that’s the adverbial form. As in “Alessan sauntered Jewly down the boulevard.” ---
**Author:** ![velosue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/13edae/32.png) [@velosue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velosue)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/51 "2011-12-18T16:37:42Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Here’s an honest question, **velosue**. Are you related to **Zedd**? You registered yesterday and have made 4 posts on this message board, all in defense of **Zedd**. So, do you know him? Are you related to him? Did he tell you to check out the original thread? It’s not a huge deal, but you should be honest with the other readers of this board and disclose any prior relationship you have with **Zedd**. It is such a typical diversionary tactic to avoid answering a question \*“I find it amazing that because you think you are possibly being called an Anti-Semite you almost have an apoplexy but that believing you are called an Anti-Mormon bigot bothers you not at all?” \* by attacking and asking another question instead. Is the standard then that anyone who disagrees with you (and therefore with the opponent) must be therefore related to the opponent. :dubious: I had hoped that honest intellectual exchanges could be conducted (such as the validity of Jeff Lindsay’s writings or the strength of archaeological evidence) but unfortunately, like too many other message boards there is a descent into judgmental non-intellectual personal attacks. 😕 I have to say that my foray into a Straight Dope forum is a bit of disappointment. The Roman Catholic forums such as [http://forums.catholic.com/](http://forums.catholic.com/) are a tremendous improvement and have very vigorous debate about a wide variety of religious topics without degenerating into name calling- this surprises to me…I guess I’ll have to go back there for true intellectual stimulation ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/52 "2011-12-18T16:41:38Z")
> [@velosue](#): > > It is such a typical diversionary tactic to avoid answering a question > > \*“I find it amazing that because you think you are possibly being called an Anti-Semite you almost have an apoplexy but that believing you are called an Anti-Mormon bigot bothers you not at all?” \* > > by attacking and asking another question instead. Is the standard then that anyone who disagrees with you (and therefore with the opponent) must be therefore related to the opponent. :dubious: > > I had hoped that honest intellectual exchanges could be conducted (such as the validity of Jeff Lindsay’s writings or the strength of archaeological evidence) but unfortunately, like too many other message boards there is a descent into judgmental non-intellectual personal attacks. 😕 > > I have to say that my foray into a Straight Dope forum is a bit of disappointment. The Roman Catholic forums such as [http://forums.catholic.com/](http://forums.catholic.com/) > are a tremendous improvement and have very vigorous debate about a wide variety of religious topics without degenerating into name calling- this surprises to me…I guess I’ll have to go back there for true intellectual stimulation Thanks for the confession. ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/53 "2011-12-18T17:05:33Z")
**Zedd** , **Erdosain** or any other person who feels qualified to explain the nuances of Mormon theology: Can you please answer the question I asked? If the “Israelites” who came to the Americas in 600BCE _weren’t_ theologically Jewish, what, _exactly_ did they believe? How (and, if you can manage it when) are they supposed to have begun believing whatever it is that they are supposed to have believed that makes them something other than Jews? ---
**Author:** ![what\_do\_I\_type\_here](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a5b964/32.png) [@what\_do\_I\_type\_here](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/what_do_I_type_here)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/54 "2011-12-18T17:32:36Z")
> [@Zedd](#): > > [Snort] You’re a retard. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/55 "2011-12-18T17:38:23Z")
Whatever. All you desert cultists are off your fucking rockers. Whether you believe a burning bush talked to some guy, some other guy was killed and rose from the dead, or that Native Americans were contacted by your magical space dude, well really, they’re all just different flavors of irrational impossibility. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/56 "2011-12-18T17:41:01Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Whatever. All you desert cultists are off your fucking rockers. Whether you believe a burning bush talked to some guy, some other guy was killed and rose from the dead, or that Native Americans were contacted by your magical space dude, well really, they’re all just different flavors of irrational impossibility. Well, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/57 "2011-12-18T17:49:13Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > **Zedd** , **Erdosain** or any other person who feels qualified to explain the nuances of Mormon theology: > > Can you please answer the question I asked? > > If the “Israelites” who came to the Americas in 600BCE _weren’t_ theologically Jewish, what, _exactly_ did they believe? > > How (and, if you can manage it when) are they supposed to have begun believing whatever it is that they are supposed to have believed that makes them something other than Jews? Irishgirl-- No, Mormons don’t believe there was any theological differences between the tribes of Israel. Zedd seized upon it because presumably he feels that the Tribe of Judah (Jewish people) are ethnically distinct from the “Lost Tribes of Israel,” a portion of whom Joseph Smith said colonized and populated the Americas. I’m not a biblical scholar, so I can’t comment on the validity of that position, but I am skeptical (but open to being corrected, if it’s true). Velosue, I’m sorry your brother dragged you into this. No harm, no foul. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/58 "2011-12-18T18:22:00Z")
Fr the record, Jews consider themselves to be the descendants of all of the Tribes of Israel, not just Judah. It’s not as if the the Ten Tribes were ever “lost”, anyway - a portion of the population was transported, but most of them just blended into the surrounding nations, particularly Judea to the south. ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/59 "2011-12-18T18:35:47Z")
Ok, so it’s just stupidity then, rather than a deep religious belief that the “Israelites” weren’t actually Jews. In the sense of being people who belong to the Jewish religion, rather than as an ethnic or cultural identifier, Jewish/Jew is perfectly applicable to those “Israelites”, and in no way derogatory, inaccurate or offensive. In short- **Zedd** - you’re seeing antisemitism where none is intended, or could possibly be construed, unless you’re the sort of person who feels that being identifed as Jewish is a negative, which is, in itself, antisemitic. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608/60 "2011-12-18T19:21:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Fr the record, Jews consider themselves to be the descendants of all of the Tribes of Israel, not just Judah. It’s not as if the the Ten Tribes were ever “lost”, anyway - a portion of the population was transported, but most of them just blended into the surrounding nations, particularly Judea to the south. Thank you for the clarification, Alessan. I did not know that. Mormons have some weird notions about the 12 tribes, including the belief that they will literally be reunited in the future. (It’s one of the 13 central tenets of Mormonism.) Also, each Mormon is informally adopted into one of the 12 tribes; I am part of the tribe of Ephraim, if I remember correctly. As wacky as all this Mormon culture is, at least it eventually led to the creation of Battlestar Galactica! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dear-zedd-you-are-a-mouth-breathing-moron/606608.md?page=4)