# Debaser, you've never been poor. Can't say the same about "presumptuous cockweed", though **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 19, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651 "2013-10-19T14:02:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/61 "2013-10-20T00:51:12Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Yes, everything you said in this thread has been wrong, but **we’re** the brainwashed ones. Funny how that works. Ok…let me just ask some simple questions. First, did Warren Harding do anything to relieve the situation in 1921? Second, was the crash of 1921 as severe as the crash of 1929? Third, two years after the crash of 1921, what was the unemployment rate? Fourth, two years four years, eight years after 1929 what was the unemployment rate? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/62 "2013-10-20T00:52:57Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > You are quite right! There was a crash in 1921 that was in some respects even more severe than the crash in 1929. But only two years later, full employment was reached. And Warren Harding did virtually NOTHING. Fast forward to 1929 and Hoover does everything in his power to prevent economic recession (read: economic correction). Then FDR comes along and does even MORE than Hoover and…you get the GREAT depression. Even wonder why the difference between the two? You can also see this in the way Reagan handled the depression of 1987(?) I love how you go from stating that unemployment in the 1920s was zero, to stating that there was a severe economic crash in 1921 with high unemployment. Your knowledge of the facts has changed, but your opinion hasn’t changed at all! I can think of no better proof that your opinion wasn’t based on facts to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/63 "2013-10-20T00:53:24Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Here’s an honest answer: it isn’t stupidity. It’s a psychological state called the “just world” mindset. People who are threatened by powerlessness want to believe that they’re in control of their lives, so when bad things happen to other people they pretend it was because of something bad that person did. Rape victim? Must have been something she was wearing. Can’t pay medical bills? Must not have saved enough. Lost their job? Should have sucked their boss off when he asked. Etc. It seems to me that it is the left who is constantly seeking to shift the blame. Mercy…there are people who are still blaming Bush for the Obama economy. 🙂 Most cons support the death penalty for rape and murder. and it’s also quite clear that cons give far more $$ to charity than the left. Dick Cheney gave his entire salary to charity. So…I can’t agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/64 "2013-10-20T00:54:22Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > Ok…let me just ask some simple questions. > > First, did Warren Harding do anything to relieve the situation in 1921? > Second, was the crash of 1921 as severe as the crash of 1929? > Third, two years after the crash of 1921, what was the unemployment rate? > Fourth, two years four years, eight years after 1929 what was the unemployment rate? Instead of you wasting our time throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks, why don’t you _first_ back up your claim in post #50? ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/65 "2013-10-20T00:54:30Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I love how you go from stating that unemployment in the 1920s was zero, to stating that there was a severe economic crash in 1921 with high unemployment. > > Your knowledge of the facts has changed, but your opinion hasn’t changed at all! > > I can think of no better proof that your opinion wasn’t based on facts to begin with. I was hoping you would explain why the unemployment rate corrected so quickly in the 20s while in the 30s it never went down. I am patient. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/66 "2013-10-20T00:55:22Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > Ok…let me just ask some simple questions. > > First, did Warren Harding do anything to relieve the situation in 1921? > Second, was the crash of 1921 as severe as the crash of 1929? > Third, two years after the crash of 1921, what was the unemployment rate? > Fourth, two years four years, eight years after 1929 what was the unemployment rate? Look at you, asking your little questions as though you weren’t completely ignorant before I corrected you. Let me ask you a simple question: was the average long-run unemployment rate higher before or after the implementation of social security? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/67 "2013-10-20T00:56:09Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > I was hoping you would explain why the unemployment rate corrected so quickly in the 20s while in the 30s it never went down. I am patient. 🙂 Where the fuck are your “Conservatopia” countries from post #50? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/68 "2013-10-20T00:58:00Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > I was hoping you would explain why the unemployment rate corrected so quickly in the 20s while in the 30s it never went down. I am patient. 🙂 Well, as you have stated, the unemployment rate in the 1920s and earlier was zero. Wait, we’re pretending you never said anything that profoundly stupid, right? So let me ask you a simple question, was the unemployment rate ever higher for a longer period in American history than during the great depression? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/69 "2013-10-20T01:01:45Z")
[QUOTE=cornopean] Mercy…there are people who are still blaming Bush for the Obama economy. [/QUOTE] …because Bush fucked the economy, might be the reason for that. Well, it seems possible. > [@](#): > > and it’s also quite clear that cons give far more $$ to charity than the left. Dick Cheney gave his entire salary to charity. So…I can’t agree with this. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/buttons/quote.gif](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=16772595) Charity’s bullshit. Charity is people benefiting from a socio-economic system that creates and perpetuates poverty, squalor, drug addictions, broken homes and misery ; then turning around and throwing a little bit back at some palatable symptoms of those problems, some “deserving poor” to feel better about themselves (or worse, to better their public image). If you believe giving to charity’s good enough, you’re part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/70 "2013-10-20T01:10:41Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > Cases like these are serious and I don’t dismiss them. I would suggest, however, that there are far better ways to deal with this than to have the govt take over. The govt ruins everything it touches. I don’t think your friend is going to be any the better off for having govt swoop into help. She’s getting housing help, food stamps and access to medical care. As a taxpayer I am damned grateful my elected government is using my tax dollars to make sure that a friend has a roof over her head, food in her refrigerator and access to medical treatment so she doesn’t leave two sweet kids motherless. Should she have to beg in the streets instead? Go plead with some idiot celibate priest or sexist rabbi so she doesn’t starve, freeze and die? Exactly how miserable should her life be because some bad doctor thought her cancer was back pain and failed to get her treatment earlier? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/71 "2013-10-20T01:27:46Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Charity’s bullshit. Charity is people benefiting from a socio-economic system that creates and perpetuates poverty, squalor, drug addictions, broken homes and misery ; then turning around and throwing a little bit back at some palatable symptoms of those problems, some “deserving poor” to feel better about themselves (or worse, to better their public image). > > If you believe giving to charity’s good enough, you’re part of the problem. Yeah, historically charity hasn’t been enough. I mean it’s nice and all, but things like social security were created because charity wasn’t sufficient to solve our problems. This is the kind of thing you learn in grade school history, unless you weren’t quite smart enough for grade school work. Makes you wonder if the right’s attempts to destroy the education system in this country wasn’t for the express purpose of creating more conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/72 "2013-10-20T01:33:28Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Look at you, asking your little questions as though you weren’t completely ignorant before I corrected you. > > Let me ask you a simple question: was the average long-run unemployment rate higher before or after the implementation of social security? I would think it would be higher after SS. But I don’t recall ever disputing this point. My point is that the more the govt tries to fix the economy, the worse the economy gets. My evidence to support this is the unemployment rate of the 20s compared to that of the 30s. ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/73 "2013-10-20T01:35:54Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Well, as you have stated, the unemployment rate in the 1920s and earlier was zero. > > Wait, we’re pretending you never said anything that profoundly stupid, right? > > So let me ask you a simple question, was the unemployment rate ever higher for a longer period in American history than during the great depression? Here is chart that might help us: > **[File:US Unemployment 1890-2009.gif](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Unemployment_1890-2009.gif)** > > US\_Unemployment\_1890-2009.gif (796 × 416 pixels, file size: 24 KB, MIME type: image/gif) > Derivative works of this file:  US Unemployment 1890-2011.gif > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overwrite this file. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/74 "2013-10-20T01:36:54Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > I would think it would be higher after SS. But I don’t recall ever disputing this point. My point is that the more the govt tries to fix the economy, the worse the economy gets. My evidence to support this is the unemployment rate of the 20s compared to that of the 30s. You realize that’s tremendously over-simplistic, right? I mean, your not really that dumb, right? ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/75 "2013-10-20T01:36:56Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Well, as you have stated, the unemployment rate in the 1920s and earlier was zero. > > Wait, we’re pretending you never said anything that profoundly stupid, right? > > So let me ask you a simple question, was the unemployment rate ever higher for a longer period in American history than during the great depression? No. It appears to me that the Great Depression rates were the highest sustained unemployment in US history. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/76 "2013-10-20T01:37:18Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > I would think it would be higher after SS. But I don’t recall ever disputing this point. My point is that the more the govt tries to fix the economy, the worse the economy gets. My evidence to support this is the unemployment rate of the 20s compared to that of the 30s. Don’t just _ **think** _ about it, go check the facts. I mean, I’m not expecting you to change your opinion when you realize that everything you know is wrong; that’s something only intellectuals do. But at least you wouldn’t be arguing from a position of complete ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/77 "2013-10-20T01:38:19Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > Here is chart that might help us: > [File:US Unemployment 1890-2009.gif - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Unemployment_1890-2009.gif) Try going back further, smart guy. Back before those sad days of government oppression. ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/78 "2013-10-20T01:38:20Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > …because Bush fucked the economy, might be the reason for that. Well, it seems possible. I agree…but Obama has simply carried on Bush’s policies to the extreme and now we are stuck in a recession with no end in sight. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/79 "2013-10-20T01:39:11Z")
> [@cornopean](#): > > I agree…but Obama has simply carried on Bush’s policies to the extreme and now we are stuck in a recession with no end in sight. Got your list for post #50 yet? How about just 3 countries that qualify? ---
**Author:** ![cornopean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cornopean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornopean)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651/80 "2013-10-20T01:39:21Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Try going back further, smart guy. Back before those sad days of government oppression. That chart wasn’t all that useful to your argument, was it? 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaser-youve-never-been-poor-cant-say-the-same-about-presumptuous-cockweed-though/671651.md?page=5)