# Debate 10/15/19 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 16, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828 "2019-10-16T00:23:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/41 "2019-10-16T02:28:35Z")
I live in a very red part of a reasonably blue state. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/42 "2019-10-16T02:28:42Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > The trope that Beto’s mandatory gun buyback plan is moot if police don’t go door to door is absurd. Fully automatic weapons (“machine guns”) are illegal now, but we don’t send police to search everyone’s house. There are rather severe limits and restrictions, but it’s entirely legal for individuals to own fully automatic weapons. > **[National Firearms Act | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives](https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act)** > > The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of... ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/43 "2019-10-16T02:35:50Z")
Exactly. And for the the reasons stated above, I would gladly jump through those legal hoops. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/44 "2019-10-16T02:35:53Z")
See, there Warren goes again: “Dream big, fight hard”. Why is that not the policy when it comes to Beto and Booker’s gun proposals? ETA: And it’s absurd to allow anyone to own fully automatic weapons. We banned bump stocks, but don’t ban those? Pfffft. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/45 "2019-10-16T02:36:19Z")
Biden blew this electability segment. But none of the three did well with it. Pete is doing the best. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/46 "2019-10-16T02:47:10Z")
I believe that I have the right to protect my family. I also believe that if, and I do mean if it comes to it, I have the right to protect my fellow citizens who don’t agree with me on gun rights from maniacs that think that any yahoo should own one. Those are the ones I’m afraid of. Not the ones that have nukes. The people who target folks like Rep. Gifford and for that matter the asshole who shot up the softball game. ---
**Author:** ![FatOrangeCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cab0a1/32.png) [@FatOrangeCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FatOrangeCat)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/47 "2019-10-16T02:54:21Z")
I think that Amy was very strong tonight. Sadly I don’t think it will make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/48 "2019-10-16T02:55:47Z")
My wife, who is a hardcore vegetarian. lacto but not ovo is sick of hearing about Corey being a vegan. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/49 "2019-10-16T02:59:20Z")
I agree , Cat. on both points, unfortunately. I’m in Pete’s camp after this. Just seems to answer the question. Instead of twisting the question to his preconceived talking points. Don’t get me wrong, he has his, but he also answers the questions asked. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/50 "2019-10-16T03:07:49Z")
Joe is so much better when he’s on script. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/51 "2019-10-16T03:24:05Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > So how the hell do I start watching the debate FROM THE BEGINNING online? I’ve found multiple sites to watch it but none allow me to restart it from an earlier time. Not even Hulu and Sling!! Help me! > **[Part 1 of the CNN/NYT Democratic Presidential Debate | CNN Politics](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/politics/2019/10/16/part-1-cnn-nyt-democratic-presidential-debate-ohio-october-15-2019.cnn)** > > Watch part 1 of the CNN/NYT Democratic Presidential Debate from Westerville, Ohio. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Julian Castro, Rep. Tulsi... ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/52 "2019-10-16T03:26:13Z")
I only watched about 45 minutes of the debate tonight (started in on the tail end of wealth tax and watched Syria stuff and guns and perhaps something else), so I admittedly didn’t see the entire thing, but I’m left scratching my head by the positive responses here to Amy. My wife and I both said that she is just way to irritating to listen to and watch. Absolutely no presence, voice is too quivery, comes across too awkward. My wife asked how she’s even still in this (I believe her exact question was "Who listens to her and says, ‘Yep! That’s my candidate!’? ") It was remarkable to me that the most eloquent and well-spoken candidate on foreign policy was the smallish-town mayor. Pete really came across as polished and forceful and intelligent on military, diplomacy and Middle Eastern policy. The Pete and Beto exchange on guns was pretty entertaining. Beto is toast. And the one thing that I’m sick and fucking tired of these candidates talking about (and I know this is gonna make me sound like an asshole) is poverty. Booker’s focus is too much on the poor. One of the candidates tonight (Castro? Beto?) mentioned “that guy at home tonight making minimum wage and who’s now considering driving for Uber to make ends meet.” Democrats need to shift their message away from poverty alleviation toward policies that matter to actual middle class voters, like my Uncle G and Cousin D and mother-in-law and union member friends. This is why Democrats have lost a lot of industrial midwestern voters to Trump: They’ve become the party of giving a handout to the poor at the expense of the middle class. Even if you ARE poor, you probably want to think of yourself as “middle class,” even if aspirationally. So _talk to_ the middle class, not as the great hope of the poor. Yes, I agree we need to lift all ships in this country when it comes to income, but for \*most \*people, they’re not living under a bridge, and they’re not making minimum wage, so when certain candidates use this language, they’re not doing anything to earn the vote of the average suburban or rural middle class voter. And that’s what the Dems need to beat Trump. Personally, I’m now stuck somewhere between Pete and Warren, leaning heavily toward Warren. But perhaps if I watch more of the debate later, I’ll see something in Warren that gives me pause. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/53 "2019-10-16T03:28:20Z")
1. Klobuchar … 2. Sanders … 3. Yang 4. Steyer … 5. Biden 6. Warren 7. Booker 8. Buttigieg 9. Castro 10. Harris 11. Beto 12. Gabbard ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/54 "2019-10-16T03:36:26Z")
> [@cutman74](#): > > I own an “assault rifle” and unlike many others, I would gladly relinquish mine, if I thought it would prevent one murder in this country. Unfortunately it won’t. I also feel better owning such a weapon when we have religious righties and “militias” advocating for dragging liberals and dems through the streets. These people spouting this shit have these weapons. They’re not going to give them up. I reserve, therefore, the right to defend me and mine. Same here. I don’t yet own a semi auto rifle but have considered it for the same reasons. I do own a handgun though. The radical right wing terrorists aren’t giving up their guns. It is becoming very acceptable to be openly hostile to the left (minorities, liberals, LGBT, etc). Plus due to law enforcement sometimes siding with the right wing terrorists you may not be able to count on the police for help. It isn’t well known, but a lot of black veterans of WW2 and the korean war provided armed guards to the college students who tried to register voters in the south. > **[This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement...](https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X)** > > This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible \[Cobb Jr., Charles E.\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement... ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/55 "2019-10-16T04:02:12Z")
Pete is BY FAR the most polished, authoritative, and all-around impressive of any of these people. BY FAR. He has consistently demonstrated this in every single debate. A ticket of Buttegieg and Booker would knock it out of the park. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/56 "2019-10-16T04:18:22Z")
> [@cutman74](#): > > There’s absolutely nothing wrong with what you just posted Sherrerd. Why can’t she just say that or something similar. It is totally fair. The plan does leave out those, who misguided as they may be, want to keep their own insurance. I’ve had a Cadillac union health plan and I’ve also had Obamacare. I currently have been removed from any because of a paperwork snafu. Having options is important. Well, CNN is making that argument TO HER during the post show. Tell me CNN (and the NYT) are not trying to anoint her. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/57 "2019-10-16T04:26:31Z")
I’m fully not sure they’re not trying to anoint her right now. I will wholeheartedly vote for her in the general if that’s who y’all choose, but i have Pete in the primaries right now. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/58 "2019-10-16T04:28:36Z")
The double negative was intentional, just so you know. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/59 "2019-10-16T04:32:46Z")
I have to say, I’m not disgusted with her plans. I just think Pete’s are better. I will do virtually anything to keep the orange creep from a repeat. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828/60 "2019-10-16T04:36:03Z")
I’m also not satisfied with her answer. She had her chance to enter into the minutia of the idea and refused. That may be a winning strategy for her , but it’s bullshit as far as integrity goes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-10-15-19/841828.md?page=4)