# Debate Poll **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 28, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097 "2016-09-28T01:49:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/1 "2016-09-28T01:49:02Z")
Mods can move this, because I’m not sure whether this goes under elections, or the usual place to post polls. I’m putting it here, because I should have posted it with my “Summarize the Debate” post. So, for those who watched it, who won? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/2 "2016-09-28T02:32:14Z")
Clinton stomped him. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/3 "2016-09-28T02:59:00Z")
Hillary schlonged him… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/4 "2016-09-28T15:22:21Z")
Not a Clinton or Trump supporter here. Clinton absolutely killed him. He could not control his thin-skinned temperament. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/5 "2016-09-28T15:25:11Z")
Mild Clinton supporter: she trounced him. But he held his own (insofar as he could, given that his policies are largely stupid) for the opening 15-20 minutes, which is the part most voters watched. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/6 "2016-09-28T15:29:41Z")
He conclusively demonstrated that he is temperamentally and intellectually unsuited to the job he claims to seek. I can’t decide whether Hillary trounced him, or he trounced himself. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/7 "2016-09-28T15:29:44Z")
Not American. Real polls of American voters say Clinton won. Therefore, she won. I didn’t even have to watch it to tell you that. **The voters say she killed him.** So she did. It does not matter how she actually performed; what matters is the impression it had on the voters. If she spent the entire ninety minutes doing mime but the voters say “Clinton won,” she won. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/8 "2016-09-28T15:35:24Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Not American. Real polls of American voters say Clinton won. Therefore, she won. > > I didn’t even have to watch it to tell you that. **The voters say she killed him.** So she did. It does not matter how she actually performed; what matters is the impression it had on the voters. If she spent the entire ninety minutes doing mime but the voters say “Clinton won,” she won. For real. During the debate I kept turning to my wife and asking, “Did he–did he actually say that out loud?” It was an incredible performance on Trump’s part, and not in a good way at all. Near the end I was wondering whether my takeaway (that Trump came across significantly less presidential than a meth-addled gibbon) would be the general takeaway, or if somehow the mainstream opinion would be that Trump was dominant and commanding. I was terrified of the latter, because if people decided that he won that debate, there’d be no stopping him. Fortunately, that’s not what happened. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/9 "2016-09-28T16:14:09Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Not American. Real polls of American voters say Clinton won. Therefore, she won. > > I didn’t even have to watch it to tell you that. **The voters say she killed him.** So she did. It does not matter how she actually performed; what matters is the impression it had on the voters. If she spent the entire ninety minutes doing mime but the voters say “Clinton won,” she won. Well not entirely. It’s not a simple yes/no. How badly Trump lost matters and in what manner it was done matters. When the highlights reel shows Trump proud of not paying taxes and how he managed to not insult Clinton and her family, it carries more “loser” weight than a simple “Hillary seemed better prepared” type loss. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/10 "2016-09-28T16:17:17Z")
The debate was pretty much a draw, he drew a blank, and she drew blood. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/11 "2016-09-28T16:18:18Z")
I voted Clinton stomped Trump, though I thought in reality, Trump stomped Trump. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/12 "2016-09-28T16:23:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Mild Clinton supporter: she trounced him. But he held his own (insofar as he could, given that his policies are largely stupid) for the opening 15-20 minutes, which is the part most voters watched. Nope. > [@](#): > > Detailed Nielsen data confirms that viewership stayed high the entire time. Contrary to some speculation, there was not a big drop-off after the first 30 minutes of the 98-minute debate. > **[Debate breaks record as most-watched in U.S. history](https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/27/media/debate-ratings-record-viewership/)** > > More than 84 million people tuned in to see Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump face off, setting a new record in the sixty year history of televised presidential debates. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/13 "2016-09-28T16:25:41Z")
There’s another thread about how people are skewing internet poll results with multiple voting … I can’t figure out how to do that here … any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/14 "2016-09-28T16:26:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I voted Clinton stomped Trump, though I thought in reality, Trump stomped Trump. Good point. Trump is his own worst enemy! ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/15 "2016-09-28T16:29:24Z")
I gave The Donald a slight edge, and it’s a matter of expectations. Hillary had to be perfect, she’s the best qualified, most experienced and far and away the best choice for President. However, The Donald managed not to punch her in the face so by all accounts he was at his very best. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/16 "2016-09-28T16:51:47Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > There’s another thread about how people are skewing internet poll results with multiple voting … I can’t figure out how to do that here … any ideas? There’s a way to do it with a smartphone but I am not sure if it would be acceptable for me to be more specific than that here. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/17 "2016-09-28T16:56:16Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > There’s a way to do it with a smartphone but I am not sure if it would be acceptable for me to be more specific than that here. I swear that second vote isn’t mine … ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/18 "2016-09-28T16:56:22Z")
So I averaged the results here with the Drudge Report poll and can now say scientifically that the debate was an exact draw. ---
**Author:** ![Yersenia\_Pestis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e495f1/32.png) [@Yersenia\_Pestis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yersenia_Pestis)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/19 "2016-09-28T16:57:52Z")
She handily won… Only the completely delusional trumpbots would say otherwise (or those that want to act like trolls and get some internet attention by refusing the obvious) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097/20 "2016-09-28T17:02:50Z")
As I noted in the other thread: Seeing that Trump and followers are believing in the unscientific polls, regardless that they are setting them for failure, what he and others have done to the polls are perfect examples of Cargo cult science. Many republicans are fooling themselves. > **[Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science)** > > "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!": Adventures of a Curious Character is an edited collection of reminiscences by the Nobel Prize–winning physicist Richard Feynman. The book, released in 1985, covers a variety of instances in Feynman's life. The anecdotes in the book are based on recorded audio conversations that Feynman had with his close friend and drumming partner Ralph Leighton. > The book has many stories which are lighthearted in tone, such as his fascination with safe-cracking, studying ... > [@](#): > > Feynman cautioned that to avoid becoming cargo cult scientists, researchers must avoid fooling themselves, be willing to question and doubt their own theories and their own results, and investigate possible flaws in a theory or an experiment. He recommended that researchers adopt an unusually high level of honesty which is rarely encountered in everyday life, and gave examples from advertising, politics, and psychology to illustrate the everyday dishonesty which should be unacceptable in science. Feynman cautioned, > > [QUOTE= Professor Feynman] > We’ve learned from experience that the truth will come out. Other experimenters will repeat your experiment and find out whether you were wrong or right. Nature’s phenomena will agree or they’ll disagree with your theory. And, although you may gain some temporary fame and excitement, you will not gain a good reputation as a scientist if you haven’t tried to be very careful in this kind of work. And it’s this type of integrity, this kind of care not to fool yourself, that is missing to a large extent in much of the research in cargo cult science. [/QUOTE] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-poll/767097.md?page=2)