# Debate the only sound, non-racist argument for immigration control I've ever read

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**Created:** [May 8, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-the-only-sound-non-racist-argument-for-immigration-control-ive-ever-read/657822 "2013-05-08T17:34:52Z")\
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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-the-only-sound-non-racist-argument-for-immigration-control-ive-ever-read/657822/81 "2013-05-11T05:58:42Z")

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> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Wikipedia is at any rate more reliable than any blog on the Net.

Bullshit.

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> Originally Posted by Ibn Warraq  
> That said, it is certainly very biased in a number of ways and it is absurd to argue otherwise.
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> That shit again?

If you’re going to try and provide a defense of wikipedia use your own words or if you’re incapable of doing so and would rather post someone else’s argument please find something better, in particular find an author who’s not so ignorant of the subject that he reduces it to “conservatives” complaining about “wikipedia bias” and “left-wingers” complaining about wikipedia bias.

I also have to confess that I nearly pissed myself laughing at idea that rationalwiki has no biases “save towards reason.”

That said, once again, thanks very much for admitting that wikipedia is horrible source to use and should be avoided.

Anyway, I’m done with this hijack. If you wish to continue I’d recommend sparing the other members of this site and take it to the pit.

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-the-only-sound-non-racist-argument-for-immigration-control-ive-ever-read/657822/82 "2013-05-11T14:51:52Z")

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I think it funny that people are relying on one wiki for claims that the other isn’t biased. Particularly since the first wiki is even less stringent than the one they are trying to prove.

I mean, that very quote purports a conspiracy in the bottom parts. That wiki is becoming more and more woo-filled, and that saddens me.

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-the-only-sound-non-racist-argument-for-immigration-control-ive-ever-read/657822/83 "2013-05-12T03:33:56Z")

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> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Well, obviously, their incomes are commensurately higher.

But they aren’t, so apparently it’s not that obvious.

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debate-the-only-sound-non-racist-argument-for-immigration-control-ive-ever-read/657822/84 "2013-05-12T06:17:37Z")

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> [@RickJay](#):
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> Not by much, I wouldn’t think. Most sources suggest about 5-10%.
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> Like the USA, cost of living in Canada is heavily dependent upon where you are; urban is more expensive than rural, and some cities are pricier than others.
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> Canada isn’t even close to places like the UK or western Europe. I found the prices there flabbergasting. I don’t know how people afford it.

Thanks for the correction.

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