# Debaters my ass! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394 "2011-07-18T00:30:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rich2600](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rich2600/32/7294_2.png) [@rich2600](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rich2600)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/1 "2011-07-18T00:30:00Z")
This is directly referencing… [Anyone ever try Reiki?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=615678) Tried to be respectful, tried to be kind, and tried to address every comment posted. I went into the conversation with these “Skeptics” knowing that they would think lowly of me, and even disrespect me. What happened next is a full on idio-thon. Many approached the conversation with ignorance and judgment first, then finally tried to throw in some actual debate. This preconcieved idea was fucking stupid, and made it extremely easy to call them out. If you want to come around and act like an ignorant and judgemental prick, go for it. Just don’t linger around after I **call you** out on your bull shit statements. But nope they did linger around, adding more and more and more idiotic and completely fucking useless statements to the conversation. And because of it, **they actually fucking locked out the thread for now.** And I supported it!! Shit why wouldn’t I, these assholes actually thought they were winning! Are you fucking kidding me? They hang around and state useless bull shit for all to see. Is this what I have to look forward to? Anytime I talk about a topic that is not immediately accepted by them, they can throw every single statement they can to implicate insults to me, plus the kitchen sink. The actual debaters were making good points, which I could’ve rebuttaled and continued within the conversation, but because the useless fucking statements kept overwhelming the thread. It is locked for now. Thanks alot. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/2 "2011-07-18T00:38:32Z")
Sorry, **rich2600** , but I don’t see you coming out the winner in this one either. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/3 "2011-07-18T00:42:18Z")
I’m feeling some seriously reverse-reiki energy. Hope it doesn’t knock you out of tune. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/4 "2011-07-18T00:44:11Z")
Who are you again? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/5 "2011-07-18T00:50:02Z")
I’m sending magic mind beams your way to relieve your stress. ---
**Author:** ![rich2600](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rich2600/32/7294_2.png) [@rich2600](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rich2600)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/6 "2011-07-18T00:50:15Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Who are you again? Thanks for adding names to generalizations Tripolar! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/7 "2011-07-18T00:55:25Z")
You are right you know. Debate? All I seen from that thread was a bunch of hand waving and empty rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/8 "2011-07-18T00:58:18Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/9 "2011-07-18T00:58:38Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > You are right you know. Debate? All I seen from that thread was a bunch of **hand waving** and empty rhetoric. Bravo! ---
**Author:** ![rich2600](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rich2600/32/7294_2.png) [@rich2600](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rich2600)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/10 "2011-07-18T01:05:17Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m sending magic mind beams your way to relieve your stress. Thank you sir, thank you, I’m still stressed after shooting laser beams through my navel and lightning bolts out my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/11 "2011-07-18T01:06:25Z")
The claims in the OP are wholly without substantiation. So far. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/12 "2011-07-18T01:10:33Z")
> [@rich2600](#): > > Thank you sir, thank you, I’m still stressed after shooting laser beams through my navel and\*\* lightning bolts out my ass.\*\* Hence the thunder. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/13 "2011-07-18T01:24:11Z")
Maybe a few more random lols would help next time. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/14 "2011-07-18T01:31:42Z")
It’s funny, one would expect a claim one can heal someone by waving their hands over them (and at a distance no less) would be treated seriously. Especially when there are links to practitioners that have very elegant pictures of brooms on their home page and discuss the use of well established phenomena like magic. What more do you need than that? With powerful modalities such as Reiki it is unreasonable to expect that they can be reproduced in double blind experiments. Personal anecdotes are far more compelling IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/15 "2011-07-18T01:44:37Z")
Actually I was convinced by your demonstration of a cause and effect mechanism. > [@rich2600](#): > > I provided the analysis as well as the cause and effect, or Methods(Cause), and Results(Effect). But I must be doing something wrong now. I keep waving my hands around to heal your brain, but you keep making moronic statements. ---
**Author:** ![rich2600](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rich2600/32/7294_2.png) [@rich2600](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rich2600)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/16 "2011-07-18T01:49:17Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Actually I was convinced by your demonstration of a cause and effect mechanism. > > But I must be doing something wrong now. I keep waving my hands around to heal your brain, but you keep making moronic statements. Try your wife next time, she obiviously believed some of your unsupportive statement bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![rich2600](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rich2600/32/7294_2.png) [@rich2600](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rich2600)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/17 "2011-07-18T01:50:53Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > It’s funny, one would expect a claim one can heal someone by waving their hands over them (and at a distance no less) would be treated seriously. Especially when there are links to practitioners that have very elegant pictures of brooms on their home page and discuss the use of well established phenomena like magic. What more do you need than that? > > With powerful modalities such as Reiki it is unreasonable to expect that they can be reproduced in double blind experiments. Personal anecdotes are far more compelling IMHO. Maybe if you first pulled head from sphincter you would see where your waving all this damn time. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/18 "2011-07-18T01:53:09Z")
This: > [@](#): > > Reiki advocates wouldn’t respond to this because reiki does not need to be defended. It’s simple, you have an open mind, and you are aware of the possibilities beyond the textbooks and theories that are a fraction of the age of energy, then you can see beyond your five senses. Is not debate. It is exactly what your OP accuses everyone else of; > [@rich2600](#): > > [ul] > [li]a full on idio-thon. [/li][li]This preconcieved idea was fucking stupid[/li][li]idiotic and completely fucking useless statements[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/19 "2011-07-18T01:55:15Z")
> [@rich2600](#): > > This is directly referencing… > > [Anyone ever try Reiki?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=615678) > > Tried to be respectful, tried to be kind, and tried to address every comment posted. > > I went into the conversation with these “Skeptics” knowing that they would think lowly of me, and even disrespect me. > > What happened next is a full on idio-thon. > > Many approached the conversation with ignorance and judgment first, then finally tried to throw in some actual debate. This preconcieved idea was fucking stupid, and made it extremely easy to call them out. If you want to come around and act like an ignorant and judgemental prick, go for it. Just don’t linger around after I **call you** out on your bull shit statements. > > But nope they did linger around, adding more and more and more idiotic and completely fucking useless statements to the conversation. And because of it, **they actually fucking locked out the thread for now.** And I supported it!! > > Shit why wouldn’t I, these assholes actually thought they were winning! Are you fucking kidding me? They hang around and state useless bull shit for all to see. Is this what I have to look forward to? Anytime I talk about a topic that is not immediately accepted by them, they can throw every single statement they can to implicate insults to me, plus the kitchen sink. > > The actual debaters were making good points, which I could’ve rebuttaled and continued within the conversation, but because the useless fucking statements kept overwhelming the thread. It is locked for now. > > Thanks alot. It’s kind of a long thread, and I wasn’t part of it. Can you give us the short version? A link to a peer reviewed article about the practice would help, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394/20 "2011-07-18T02:28:51Z")
People. Isn’t it obvious? You’ve been Reiki-rolled. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debaters-my-ass/589394.md?page=2)