# Debating with Americans. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 19, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989 "2010-05-19T12:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/141 "2010-05-24T20:13:50Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Finn please don’t waste any more of your time quoting me as I am done with you. > > I can’t bear another minute debating with a robot. > > Hezbullah is part of the Lebanese government!! > > Byee Hezbolla is a terrorist group with a political wing. It wasn’t the government of Lebanon that attacked Israel with thousands of missiles, it was an Iranian supplied militia launching the weapons from the streets of Lebanon. Posting a thread decrying the ignorance of an entire nation is an arrogant position to take made worse by citing a position that was poorly thought out as an example of debate. To suggest that a President’s wishes (for another nation to be wiped from the pages of history) is not threatening in light of direct military support against that nation is a remarkable position to take. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/142 "2010-05-24T20:32:22Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Hey just look at the Vatican mess! I seem to have missed the act of the US Congress that made the Vatican a State? Cite, please? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/143 "2010-05-24T20:57:20Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > That however, is true of all countries with a free media. > > Based on that, the OP’s complaint should have been, “Debating with People.” > Everything else is simply a silly claim that “Americans” have some unique problems that are not shared by the rest of the world–a point for which no evidence has been presented. > > It is little more than Yank bashing and this thread has avoided being moved to its more legitimate home in The BBQ Pit only because I keep hoping that there will be a presentation of some legitimate information. I sorta agree w/you, **tomndebb** , because I keep hoping for the same. Looks to me like the Yanks are, if not winning, at least holding their own. Leave it here for a while longer (or maybe a “whine” longer), I see a few angles of attack that have not been explored yet. Maybe I will use one. “Go Yanks!” ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/144 "2010-05-24T22:17:16Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > I have to say that I am pretty sure Ahmedinejad won’t instigate any war. Why would he? He will however defend his country form attack which is his right. > > USA on the other hand seem pretty hell bent on attacking other countries and going to war even without a UN backing. > I’m much more afraid of the US foreign policy than Iran’s. The EEEVIL BUSH went out of his way, _ **continuously** _, to get UN backing. And the backing of the US Congress. And the backing of the US population. _ **AFTER** _ the fact (also after having given the requested “authorization”), both organizations went out of _ **their** _ way to discredit his efforts. I never agreed with any of what he did, and argued against it to anyone who would listen at the time, prior to his actually _ **receiving** _, let alone _ **acting on** _ those authorizations. And guess what, everything I argued would be a problem _ **became** _ a problem, for precisely the reasons I used when arguing against the “intervention”. Nevertheless, he _ **did** _ get the _ **exact** _ authorization you (and the UN, and the US Congress) are now complaining he didn’t get. Disingenuousness knows no bounds… And yet, you expect me to accept what you _ **claim** _ Ahmedinejad _ **claims** _ he said without question? I don’t think so… ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/145 "2010-05-24T22:24:55Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > So what are the American’s thoughts on the Saudi King’s secret deals with Al Qaeda? > > Has it reached Fox yet? > > Are you outraged and planning to hold a press conference shortly? On this one, I really have to ask: Where do you get your wonderful dope (as in drugs, not “Dope board”). This is delusional. Please, enlighten me on where this even remotely approaches demonstrable (or even “plausible”) fact…? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/146 "2010-05-24T22:29:43Z")
The OP’s posts are a bit like Qassam rockets: random, pointless, essentially ineffective, but they demand some sort of response - otherwise, they’ll never stop. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/147 "2010-05-24T22:48:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The OP’s posts are a bit like Qassam rockets: random, pointless, essentially ineffective, but they demand some sort of response - otherwise, they’ll never stop. _ **Too** _ accurate… But then again, it’s the fault of the people the rockets are being fired at… _ **You made me fire them, because you’re opressing me… It’s your fault…** _ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/148 "2010-05-24T23:20:50Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > On this one, I really have to ask: Where do you get your wonderful dope (as in drugs, not “Dope board”). This is delusional. > [@Alessan](#): > > The OP’s posts are a bit like Qassam rockets: random, pointless, essentially ineffective, but they demand some sort of response - otherwise, they’ll never stop. Alright, enough. Suggesting another poster is on drugs is insulting. Please move back into the realm of factual rebuttals instead of just denigrating the OP and his posting style. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/149 "2010-05-24T23:25:52Z")
I’d still like a cite for his claims about the Saudis from a cite other than Iran’s official propaganda services or other sites that merely reprint them. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/150 "2010-05-24T23:38:46Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I have seen what they are talking about in the court system. I just found out recently here that, even if a criminal confesses to a crime to their lawyer, the lawyer will still try to defend them. Apparently winning the case is more important than serving justice. > > I had heard that this was different in other western countries, but I admit I have almost no knowledge in that are. There are vast differences between the inquisitorial system (I assume that’s what you’re refering to regarding “other western countries”) and the adversarial system (used for instance in the USA). But the general obligation for lawyers not to disclose informations obtained from the defendant and to defend him to the best of their ability isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989/151 "2010-05-25T02:32:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Alright, enough. Suggesting another poster is on drugs is insulting. Please move back into the realm of factual rebuttals instead of just denigrating the OP and his posting style. You’re right. I’m sorry. :smack: I will endeavor to better keep control of myself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debating-with-americans/539989.md?page=7)