# debt amounts and other stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680 "2013-03-22T17:50:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/41 "2013-03-22T19:15:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Yeah, about the bible, it’s actually a collection of stories written by stinking primitives. It doesn’t actually predict the future. Not his bible, he spent $400 on it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/42 "2013-03-22T19:20:07Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Not his bible, he spent $400 on it. If we assume a Biblical Sheckel to Dollar ratio of 1:1, then that’s enough to rape and then forcibly marry 8 women! > **[Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - New International Version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2B22%3A28-29&version=NIV)** > > If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he... ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/43 "2013-03-22T19:20:16Z")
Lobohan, actually, that is exactly what Satan (the god of this world) would want you to believe. He has tried to change Gods word from the garden of eden till now. But Gods word has an anwser for all of mans problems, just man is to ignorant to listen and follow. anxiety attacks for example, which I once suffered from and spent 240 hours straight with out sleep, God and His word heald me from instantly. You can deny all you want, I have seen it an lived it. Most of mans problems are from disobedience to Gods word. Philippians 4:6-8 [6] Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. [7] And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. [8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. If man just did this, 95% of our problems would be solved, but we refuse, because we think we know better. Jesus Christ give peace that passes all understanding, verse 8 is a big part of that allong with Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean no unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/44 "2013-03-22T19:22:22Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > Luke 17:27-32 > > Daniel 12:4 That’s pretty generic stuff. But, if I ever see a woman turn into a statue of salt, I’ll give your opinion more weight. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/45 "2013-03-22T19:25:02Z")
I would not give you 2 cents for your NIV. sorry. There are over 100 versions of the bible out there. Copywrites prevent books from being the same, yet God said He keeps His word Pure, so onlyone can be His, could be in different languages, but all in agreement. You can pull verses out of context to try to get them to say whatever you want, but Gods word is true from beginning to end, so you have to take it all together. or when we are told to pray for our leaders we might just pray Psalms 109:8 [8] Let his days be few; and let another take his office. KJV ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/46 "2013-03-22T19:27:13Z")
I take it we’re not talking about Obama and the deficit anymore, right? We’ve moved on to witnessing about Jesus and The Bible? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/47 "2013-03-22T19:30:56Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > Lobohan, > > actually, that is exactly what Satan (the god of this world) would want you to believe. Satan doesn’t exist, actually. > [@](#): > > He has tried to change Gods word from the garden of eden till now. But Gods word has an anwser for all of mans problems, just man is to ignorant to listen and follow. God’s words are those of a primitive man from the middle east who thought pi was 3 and that the sky was a stone dome that held water back. They are a testament to who ignorant and backwards those times were. > [@](#): > > anxiety attacks for example, which I once suffered from and spent 240 hours straight with out sleep, God and His word heald me from instantly. Did He? > [@](#): > > You can deny all you want, I have seen it an lived it. Most of mans problems are from disobedience to Gods word. Philippians 4:6-8 How much should rapists pay the father’s of the victim before they get married to them? Can you pay that in bitcoins? > [@](#): > > [6] Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. Unless He doesn’t exist. > [@](#): > > [7] And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Unless Jesus, if he existed, was just a guy who got nailed to a tree. > [@](#): > > [8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. I do like lovely things. > [@](#): > > If man just did this, 95% of our problems would be solved, but we refuse, because we think we know better. Jesus Christ give peace that passes all understanding, verse 8 is a big part of that allong with Proverbs 3:5-6 > > Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean no unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths. Except that He isn’t real, and has no power. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/48 "2013-03-22T19:34:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I take it we’re not talking about Obama and the deficit anymore, right? We’ve moved on to witnessing about Jesus and The Bible? The kind of hardcore ignorance it takes to enthusiastically answer the OP question in the affirmative is fertile ground for Jehova to take root. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/49 "2013-03-22T19:37:25Z")
I’m impressed by the sheer flurriness of this recent flurry of posting. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/50 "2013-03-22T19:59:08Z")
lobohan, then why dont the temperatures reflect it? Why do we still have states with record highs set in 1898? 6 Set before 1920. In otherwords, your so called scientists are bought and paid for. As I said before, we are told the storms are getting bigger, more powerful, higher storm surges, all of which I disproved in 90 seconds with google. 1900, galviston texas, wiped out by that hurricane. How much CO2 was being produced by our cars in 1900? NY hurricane of 1938 killed 200 people, catagory 3, sandy was not even a cat 1. It is a all a hoax. I also have the gas prices from many years back, It includes Feb 2005 and march 2005, Kyoto came into effect Feb and gas prices went over $2 a gallon and up from there. report from international council for capital formation, said they would dramatically increase energy costs to get you to drive less, report date 2005. Also posted link to obama video where he said he would bankrupt coal which will double electricity costs also showed info onthe carbon credits, which will increase cost of products we get from corporations. ALL undisputable facts. sorry to say, but true. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/51 "2013-03-22T20:03:53Z")
Lobohan, Jesus, if he existed? Funny, Three major religions dont dispute that he lived, just who He was. thing is what you believe or what I believe have no relevance. What God says goes. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/52 "2013-03-22T20:04:10Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/49): > > That’s how it rolls now, thanks to Bush. Clinton balanced the budget and even ran a surplus… Please, for the luvva OG…will you people please quit repeating this bullshit? Clinton NEVER had a surplus. Never. > [@](#): > > Time and time again, anyone reading the mainstream news or reading articles on the Internet will read the claim that President Clinton not only balanced the budget, but had a surplus. This is then used as an argument to further highlight the fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government under the Bush administration. > > The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000–though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B). > > While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it’s curious to see Clinton’s record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion. > > Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. Treasury (see note about this link below) website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government’s fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton’s budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here’s the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets: > Fiscal > Year Year Ending National Debt Deficit > FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion > FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion > FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion > FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion > FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion > FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion > FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion > FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion > FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion > > As can clearly be seen, in no year did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently turned into a deficit. Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive surplus number. And Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration. > **[The Myth of the Clinton Surplus](http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16)** ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/53 "2013-03-22T20:07:05Z")
Inner stickler, Genesis 19 is where it is located, you saw where the bible says as the days of Lot, Gen 19 tells what happened in the days of lot right before the destruction of the city. Note, Know, Known are all references to sex. Adam knew Eve and Eve conceived, Note the angels were referred to by the MEN of the city as Men, note what Lot offered the men of the city and what the men of the city said to his offer. Lot offered his virgin daughters to them to do with what they willed, they refused and said send out the men that we may KNOW them. What were they? then what happened next. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/54 "2013-03-22T20:07:42Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > [6] Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. > [7] And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. > [8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. > If man just did this, 95% of our problems would be solved, but we refuse, because we think we know better. Jesus Christ give peace that passes all understanding, verse 8 is a big part of that allong with Proverbs 3:5-6 So why the fuck did god not help me? The first 20 years I believed with all my heart, I prayed for forgiveness and guidance. Why didn’t god help when my mother, brother & I became homeless? ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/55 "2013-03-22T20:10:16Z")
Brocks, funny peole like to say clinton balanced the budget but forget to mention that they are dont by the HOUSE AND SENATE which were both controlled by republicans during that time. HELLO Will also mention that there was a dot come craze, without which Clinton and his signing of GATT and NAFTA would have destroyed the economy much sooner also Clinton set the bank failure into motion…google new york times sept 30 1999 clinton fannie mae truth hurts, but it is still truth ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/56 "2013-03-22T20:13:48Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > lobohan, then why dont the temperatures reflect it? Why do we still have states with record highs set in 1898? 6 Set before 1920. In otherwords, your so called scientists are bought and paid for. No, you just don’t know enough to make an informed decision. Individual hot dates don’t mean that the average temperature isn’t increasing. Suppose you had a bender when you turned 21 and had 50 drinks that week. Then you went more moderate and had 3 drinks a week for ten years. Then you started drinking a bit more. 5 drinks a week. Then 12 drinks a week. Then 15 drinks a week. Then 21 drinks a week. Then 25 drinks a week. Are you saying you aren’t drinking more because you drank a lot that one time? Remember, scientists, trained scientists are generally more educated and much, much better at math than you are. If 20 thousand of them agree that the evidence is very strong that global warming is happening, it’s not very likely that you have a smoking gun. It’s more likely that you think you have one, but it’s nonsense. > [@](#): > > As I said before, we are told the storms are getting bigger, more powerful, higher storm surges, all of which I disproved in 90 seconds with google. Again, you don’t have the education or the time to do an intelligent assessment of the data. > [@](#): > > 1900, galviston texas, wiped out by that hurricane. How much CO2 was being produced by our cars in 1900? No one is saying that all storms are caused by global warming. If you even bothered to educate yourself a little on the subject you’d know that. > [@](#): > > NY hurricane of 1938 killed 200 people, catagory 3, sandy was not even a cat 1. It is a all a hoax. No, you just are pointing at individual data points and ignorantly saying they prove your point. > [@](#): > > I also have the gas prices from many years back, It includes Feb 2005 and march 2005, Kyoto came into effect Feb and gas prices went over $2 a gallon and up from there. So? > [@](#): > > report from international council for capital formation, said they would dramatically increase energy costs to get you to drive less, report date 2005. > > Also posted link to obama video where he said he would bankrupt coal which will double electricity costs > also showed info onthe carbon credits, which will increase cost of products we get from corporations. > > ALL undisputable facts. sorry to say, but true. You are taking unrelated things and pointing at them with the assumption that they build a strong case. When in actuality, you don’t even understand the underlying issues. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/57 "2013-03-22T20:17:17Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > Lobohan, Jesus, if he existed? > > Funny, Three major religions dont dispute that he lived, just who He was. Nothing was written about Jesus until long after he was dead. I don’t know if he existed or not, I assume he did, but he certainly didn’t have magic powers. He was just another stinking, ignorant primitive who lived a short, shitty life on the ass-end of the Roman Empire. > [@](#): > > thing is what you believe or what I believe have no relevance. What God says goes. Unless God doesn’t exist. In which case, what He is attributed to have said is no more important than the words of Darth Vader. You want God to be real. Great. I want a 1995 Shanya Twain sex robot. Sometimes we don’t get what we want. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/58 "2013-03-22T20:17:48Z")
John Mace, sorry but it started with a comment that the bible says it would be this way in the end times. Foggy, sorry for you misfortune, but many times those things come from the results of sin. Sin is a seed, when planted does not come up right away, takes time to grow and then the fruit comes. I have gone through similar circumstances, but when we remain faithful to God, the new seed eventually comes up. Remember, We can choose our sin, but we dont get to choose the consequences. It is not always our sin either, we sometimes suffer because of the sin of others. Happens often. But remember this, Jesus Christ suffered for sin that was not his own too. Remember this, Satan is the god of this world, it belongs to him. remember the temptation of Christ, what did satan offer Christ if he would bow down and worship him? Satan came to kill steal and destroy, he hates us. Notice the apostles, what happened to them? Beaten murdered crucified upsidedown, dipped in boiling oil. It has never been easy for christians, unless they are fake christians which most are straight is the gate narrow is the way and few there be that find it. FEW, yet christianity is the supposed number 1 religion in the world, some of which murdered million of people inthe inquisitions, those were fakes, who were murdering the real christians so they could claim to be the first chruch. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/59 "2013-03-22T20:18:40Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > Lobohan, Jesus, if he existed? > > Funny, Three major religions dont dispute that he lived, just who He was. > > thing is what you believe or what I believe have no relevance. What God says goes. Two of them are Christianity and Islam, what is the third major religion that acknowledges Jesus? ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/60 "2013-03-22T20:21:55Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Nothing was written about Jesus until long after he was dead. I don’t know if he existed or not, I assume he did, but he certainly didn’t have magic powers. He was just another stinking, ignorant primitive who lived a short, shitty life on the ass-end of the Roman Empire. > > Unless God doesn’t exist. In which case, what He is attributed to have said is no more important than the words of Darth Vader. > > You want God to be real. Great. I want a 1995 Shanya Twain sex robot. Sometimes we don’t get what we want. problem is I was healed instantly and specifically immediately following prayer. I also know when a christian prays for patience all hell breaks loose in their lives…WHY because the bible says, patience comes from the trying of our faith. Gods word proves itself true all the time you just refuse to look at it because you dont want to believe it you believe more in miracles that I do if you believe in evolution…it just so happened that the sun was the perfect distance from the earth, and there was water to sustain live and the moon, and the elements and on and on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680.md?page=4)